RE: JACK RUBY......
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Many people seem to feel that it's the LNers who are the naive ones when it comes to assessing the Jack Ruby situation. But I'd favor the CTers being the naive group in the "Ruby" regard.
Conspiracy believers are forced to believe in a string of coincidences that were really "contrivances" evidently, per CTers, in order for Ruby to have rubbed out a certain Mr. Oswald as part of some pre-arranged plot.
In addition to a pooch named "Sheba" and the amazing co-inky of having the "Patsy" HIMSELF delaying his own rendezvous with death by requesting a change of clothing at the 11th hour just before his transfer, conspiracy theorists, by default, are also forced to include Ruby's nightclub stripper (Karen Carlin) as one of the MAIN CONSPIRATORS.
And I ask -- Is it likely that 20-year-old nightclub employee Karen Carlin was "in" on a conspiracy plot to kill Lee Oswald?
The conspiracists do, indeed, need Carlin "in" on any plot, due to the mere fact that it was Carlin's phone call to Jack Ruby on the morning of November 24th that set the wheels in motion for Ruby to be in the general area of the police basement at just the proper time to kill Oswald.
Without Carlin's request for that money order, Jack Ruby would have had no reason whatsoever to be at that Western Union office in downtown Dallas (which was just half-a-block away from the city jail where Oswald was about to be moved).
Yes, Ruby told Carlin that he was going downtown anyway that morning, but without Carlin's specific request for $25 from her employer (Ruby), it's very doubtful that Jack would have gone to a location downtown that would have placed him in very close proximity to the city jail (where he saw people gathered).
Ruby, at the time he left his apartment at about 11 AM, was of the opinion that Oswald had ALREADY BEEN TRANSFERRED to the county jail. But when he got downtown, he saw the crowd near the jail and decided to have a look-see.
Four minutes is all that separated Jack's Western Union order to Carlin (stamped "11:17 AM") and the shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald (at 11:21 AM).
Ruby being in a position to pull that trigger was via pure ordinary happenstance. And if the conspirators were THAT good, that they could make a pre-arranged plot equate in every way to happenstance, heck, they almost deserve to get away with it.
Because such a beautifully-in-sync, choreographed performance (including that little delay caused by the patsy himself!) is just too good a performance to be spat upon indeed.
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Jack Ruby's ACTIONS on 11/24/63 positively show NO PREMEDITATION. None.
Other things to consider with respect to Ruby and the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald.....
What if another customer or two had been in line at Western Union?
Or -- What if Jack had left his apartment just TWO MINUTES later on November 24th?
Either of the above occurrences would very likely have meant that Ruby would have missed having the chance to kill Oswald.
Do conspiracy advocates really think the "timing" and the "Western Union money order" were things that were part of a "ruse" of some kind....designed to merely throw people off of the "pre-planned conspiracy" track in the years to come?
Plus.....
What about Karen Carlin (the stripper/dancer who called Jack on the morning of the 24th and asked for the $25 money order)?*
* = The money needed to be wired to Carlin, btw, because Ruby had decided to close both of his nightclubs for two or more days in deference to the assassinated President -- which was a decision Jack made within hours of JFK's death on Friday.
Now, when examining Carlin's Warren Commission testimony, we can see that Karen called Ruby on Saturday for a $5 advance, with Jack then telling Carlin to call him on Sunday for any additional money she required (which Carlin needed to pay her rent).
But Jack never told Carlin exactly WHAT TIME on Sunday to call him. Nor did he confirm on Saturday exactly how much cash to wire her. He didn't say to her, "call me before 10:00", for example. Nor did he ask her on Saturday, "how much money do you need?".
So, for all Jack knew on Saturday night, Carlin might be calling him at 12:00 noon or 2:00 PM on Sunday with the details re. her additional loan that she needed. If the call had occurred at either of those times on Sunday...obviously Oswald would have not been shot, because Jack's trip to Western Union would have occurred after Oswald had been transferred to the County Jail.
Also, if Carlin hadn't called Ruby on Sunday morning AT ALL (which was certainly possible for all Jack knew on SATURDAY), the "coincidence chain" leading to Oswald's death would never have been started in the first place.
Because if Carlin hadn't called Ruby to ask for that $25 money order, then Jack would certainly not have had any reason to visit the Western Union office in downtown Dallas, which was just a block from the City Jail (where a crowd had formed, which attracted Jack's attention, even though Ruby thought that Oswald had ALREADY BEEN MOVED by that time).
Now, it's true that Ruby did tell Carlin (on Sunday morning) that he had intended to go "downtown" sometime on Sunday anyway. But without Carlin's plea for a money order (necessitating Jack's trip to the Western Union office), Ruby would almost certainly not have been exactly where he was in the downtown area at 11:17 AM on Sunday, Nov. 24th.
Do CTers think that Karen Carlin was part of some kind of "plot" or "ruse" too?
Plus.....
What if Jack had decided to send Carlin the money order from a different Western Union office? (Surely there was more than just one such office in the whole of Dallas, Texas....right? I'm not sure, but I'm guessing there was probably more than just the one W.U. office in that large U.S. city.)
Or: What if Jack had decided to just loan Karen $25 out of his own pocket, which could have also occurred. That scenario would have meant no Western Union visit needed at all.
Plus.....
If Jack hadn't made the decision to close his nightclubs for a few days that weekend (a decision he made, as I mentioned, two days before he killed Oswald), then Karen Carlin would not have had a reason to have cash "money ordered" to her (she could have picked it up at one of the nightclubs instead, had they been open).
The "happenstance" and "mere coincidence" trail is significant here. It's either happenstance or the most remarkable hunk of conspiratorial coordination I've ever encountered (including little Sheba being left in the car to make things look spontaneous in nature).
This coordination, if it was a pre-arranged plan, would have to go all the way down to Karen Carlin's penniless state on Nov. 23 and 24, which is CRITICAL to having Ruby being in the right place at the right time at 11:21 AM on Sunday, the 24th.
Another interesting hunk of insight into Jack Ruby's bereaved state of mind during that November '63 weekend can be found in the following portion of Karen Carlin's WC testimony.....
KAREN CARLIN -- "I reached him {Ruby} at home {on Saturday night, 11/23}. He answered the telephone. And I asked Jack if we were going to be open, and he got very angry and was very short with me. He said, "Don't you have any respect for the President? Don't you know the President is dead?" And I said, "Jack, I am sorry. Andrew said that perhaps we would be open, and I don't have any money, and you know I am supposed to get paid." And I wanted some money on my pay to get back home. And he said, "I don't know when I will open. I don't know if I will ever open back up." And he was very hateful. And he said he had to come down to the club in about an hour, and for me to wait and he would see me then. And I hung up and told my husband what had happened; and we waited and waited, and he didn't show up."
RIC LANDERS SAID:
You argue Ruby killed Oswald because he admired Kennedy. You believe this because of what Ruby said after the shooting.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
You can't read very well, can you?
It wasn't JUST the words from Ruby's lips. His friends and family all said that Ruby was a big JFK fan. We don't have to take Ruby's word alone for that.
RIC LANDERS SAID:
But when Ruby later retracted this and said the real reason he did it was at the behest of powerful people in Washington, you dismiss this as lying.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
When did Ruby ever say anything remotely similar to that? I don't think he ever did. In fact, he was eager (begging!) to be taken to Washington so that he could prove that he WASN'T part of any conspiracy.
Ruby feared, and rightly so, that many people in Dallas would be out to get him because they would think he was part of some bigger "plot"; which is why he didn't feel safe in Dallas and wanted to go to Washington.
Another of Ruby's stated reasons for killing Oswald was because he "wanted to show the world that Jews had guts" (paraphrased Ruby quote).
Ruby was upset by the "Bernard Weissman" (Jewish) black-bordered anti-Kennedy ad that appeared in the Dallas newspaper(s) on the morning of 11/22/63.
And Ruby even went so far as to take pictures of an "Impeach Earl Warren" billboard at 5:00 AM on 11/23/63 (the billboard evidently had Weissman's name associated with it in some manner, or at least Ruby thought Weissman might be associated with it).
Ruby's motives are somewhat muddled, true. I can't deny that. Because if he was creating a "file" (or whatever) on Weissman, and he later said he "did it to show that Jews had guts"....that certainly implies premeditation on Ruby's behalf.
But the way he actually DID kill Oswald certainly does NOT imply any premeditation whatsoever (e.g., little "Sheba" [dog] left in his car; Western Union trip; and not leaving his apartment until AFTER the previously announced time for Oswald's transfer).
So, it's a puzzle of sorts....no doubt. But Ruby was positively distraught after the President's murder....and he was positively upset about the Weissman ad, and he said this to the DMN [Dallas Morning News] people on 11/22 (Ruby even mentioned his displeasure regarding the Weissman ad BEFORE Kennedy was even shot, mentioning it to his sister over the phone and also when he was placing his nightclub ads at the newspaper office; Zoppi and Newnam are probably witnesses to that fact, but I'd have to check the record to verify).
RIC LANDERS SAID:
How does he sacrifice his own life without knowing for sure if the man he's about to murder is the one who murdered his beloved Kennedy?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
You're asking why a distraught, obviously emotional and high-strung man would be willing to take the kneejerk, sudden type action he did in a police basement without having every last piece of evidence against his victim firmly entrenched (and verified) in his brain, huh?
Oh, well, I don't know....maybe because IT WAS A SUDDEN, MAD ACT OF SPUR-OF-THE-MOMENT VIOLENCE THAT WASN'T IN THE SLIGHTEST DEGREE PRE-PLANNED OR THOUGHT OUT AHEAD OF TIME.
That could be it right there. Ya think? ;)
Bottom Line:
1.) Jack Ruby was upset over the President's murder and he was upset over the Weissman ad that appeared in the paper.
2.) Ruby was AT the midnight press conference, so we KNOW for a fact he heard what America heard as DA Henry Wade was roasting Oswald in front of the Live TV cameras (not a smart move, btw, IMO, but Wade, Fritz, and Curry had no hesitation whatsoever to put their case before America, for some reason, miles ahead of Oswald's trial).
3.) So we know that Ruby almost certainly thought Lee Oswald was guilty.
4.) A distraught Ruby + the "Weissman" thing + the knowledge that Oz was almost certainly guilty + THE GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT = A dead Lee Harvey Oswald.
David Von Pein
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