IN 5.6 SECONDS....I'M OSWALD....TIME ME...."
"THIS IS THE WHOLE ESSENCE OF THE CASE TO ME. THE GUY COULDN'T DO THE SHOOTING. NOBODY COULD. AND THEY SOLD THIS LEMON TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC."
-- Dialogue from Oliver Stone's 1991 motion picture "JFK"
BUT WHAT DID OLIVER STONE REALLY PROVE DURING THAT SCENE FROM HIS MOVIE "JFK"?
WHAT HE PROVED WAS THAT A GUNMAN COULD, INDEED, FIRE THREE SHOTS FROM A BOLT-ACTION RIFLE IN UNDER SIX SECONDS!
IRONY AT ITS FINEST.
A very interesting fact was brought out (by total accident) in Oliver
Stone's fairy-tale flick "JFK" in 1991, when the actor playing Lou Ivon
(Jay Sanders) is seen attempting to duplicate the timing of Oswald's
shots (erroneously believed, for some reason, by the filmmakers to be
shoehorned into 5.6 seconds, when the Warren Commission explicitly
stated that the shooting took anywhere from "approximately 4.8 to in
excess of 7 seconds" [WR; Pg. 117]; therefore, as that passage
illustrates, the WC was certainly NOT boxing itself in to just a
"5.6-second" shooting timeline as Oliver Stone's movie wants people to
Anyway, Ivon/Sanders fires three shots in UNDER SIX SECONDS, utilizing
(I can only assume) a bolt-action rifle very similar to that of Oswald's
Mannlicher-Carcano. Kevin Costner (playing Jim Garrison), looking at his
watch, claims that Ivon took "between 6 [and] 7 seconds" to get off
those three shots....which is dead-wrong, and anyone can just watch
their own DVD player's elapsed-time counter and count the seconds for
It took Sanders approx. 5.5 seconds to squeeze off those 3 shots in the
movie. Sanders fires his first shot at exactly the 1:14:50 point in the
film (elapsed running time), with shot #3 occurring prior to the DVD's
time counter reaching the 1:14:56 mark.*
* = Based on the "Director's Cut" Two-Disc Special Edition DVD of the
film (released in 2001).
In other words, Oliver Stone's movie, apparently without Mr. Stone even
realizing what he had placed ON FILM in his own motion picture, PROVES
a key lone-assassin-favoring aspect of the JFK murder case (i.e., that
Oswald certainly had enough time to fire three shots from a bolt-action
rifle in the allotted time per the Zapruder Film). It's hilarious.**
** = Footnote -- I want to give the proper credit where the credit is
due concerning that hysterically-funny portion of Stone's film. It was a
researcher on another JFK Forum who noticed that little goof of Ollie
Stone's. I've since checked it out myself (numerous times, just to make
sure of the "5.5-second" timing). Sanders dry fires three shots in 5.5
seconds without a doubt.
If Oliver Stone had been smart (in his usual deceiving way), he would
have had Jay Sanders struggling like mad with the bolt of the rifle and
would have had the actor take 8 or 9 seconds (or maybe even longer) to
do the re-creation.
But as it is, Stone has his actor smoothly working that bolt and
getting off three shots in almost exactly the same amount of time that
most people think (incorrectly, of course) the Warren Commission was
pigeonholing itself into with respect to the shooting timeline.
Anyone who owns the DVD of Stone's "JFK" movie can watch for
themselves...and time the 3-shot re-creation for themselves. It's
really quite interesting...and very funny (considering it's proving
exactly the OPPOSITE of what the filmmaker is intending to "prove").
Also -- Jay Sanders was utilizing a weapon that I can only assume
Sanders hadn't used much, if at all, prior to the filming of the scene.
Although it is possible, of course, that "Take #39" was the one with
the 5.5-second shooting re-creation that ended up on screen in the
movie -- which, if true, would only tend to indicate that "Practice
Makes Perfect" when utilizing a bolt-action carbine for rapid-fire
Maybe CTers can start up a new theory --- "Oliver Stone's motion
picture has been altered by a band of WC apologists and Government
shills in order to show that Oswald's shooting performance could be
accomplished in approx. 5.5 seconds!"
The same CTers who might be tempted to endorse the above theory can
then add (for good measure) --- "The film MUST be faked in some way
during that shooting re-creation scene in the Book Depository. Because,
why on this Earth would filmmaker and noted conspiracy theorist Oliver
Stone possibly want to have (ON FILM) proof of something that most
conspiracists say is utterly impossible?"
David Von Pein
LINK TO ORIGINAL POST (DECEMBER 22, 2006)
"The JFK 100"
Andy Rooney On Oliver Stone's "JFK"
Oliver Stone Speech (January 1992)