DOUG HORNE'S SILLINESS
IN A DISCUSSION AT AMAZON.COM ON FEBRUARY 23, 2010,
BRIAN McCLAFFERTY SAID:
You, sir, are no Doug Horne.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Thank the Maker for small favors.
BRIAN McCLAFFERTY SAID:
Mr. Horne was, in fact, a part of a legitimate investigation.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
No, you're wrong about that. Doug Horne was NOT part of an
"investigative" organization at all. The mandate of the Assassination
Records Review Board was not to "investigate" the assassination of
President Kennedy. Its primary responsibility was merely to oversee
the release of assassination-related records and documents to the
But the ARRB was not created to "investigate" anything at all. Nor to
draw any conclusions about the events in Dallas on November 22, 1963.
And that fact is quite clear when reading the first few pages of the
ARRB Final Report itself:
"This Final Report of the Assassination Records Review Board
details the Board's extensive work in fulfilling its statutory
mandate. The JFK Act, however, necessitates that the Review Board's
report be different from reports of other assassination-related
commissions and committees.
"Previous assassination-related commissions and committees were
established for the purpose of issuing final reports that would draw
conclusions about the assassination.
"Congress did not, however, direct the Review Board to draw
conclusions about the assassination, but to release assassination
records so that the public could draw its own conclusions.
"Thus, this Final Report does not offer conclusions about what
the assassination records released did or did not prove. Rather, it
identifies records that the Board released and describes the processes
and standards that the Board used to release them."
"The major purpose of the Review Board was to re-examine for
release the records that the agencies still regarded as too sensitive
to open to the public." -- Pages xxi and xxiii of the "Assassination Records Review Board Final Report"
The "official testimony" of the various medical witnesses was not
needed at all in order for the ARRB to complete its mission of
releasing RECORDS to the American public.
Why on Earth such testimony was taken is a complete mystery to me,
when a simple phone call to these people from an ARRB member would
have easily sufficed (in order to clear up the issue of any so-called
"missing photographs" or "missing documents", etc.).
My guess is that all five of the top members of the ARRB were
thoroughly embarrassed when they saw Doug Horne's various "memos"
attached as an addendum to the ARRB's work.
Good heavens, who WOULDN'T be embarrassed after seeing this kind of
total nonsense and speculation in print?:
http://history-matters.com/ARRB Staff Memos -- Brain Exams
http://history-matters.com/ARRB Staff Memos By Doug "Super Kook" Horne
Somewhere along the line, the ARRB's scope seemed to expand. My guess
would be that Doug Horne's preposterous theories more or less fueled
the idea that a broader "investigation" needed to be done. And,
incredibly, Horne's large batch of "Two Brains" and "Humes Altered
JFK's Head Wounds" foolishness was permitted ample space in the form
of his various "memorandums" that were published alongside the ARRB's
Another guess: After finding out that Doug Horne was a conspiracy kook
to end ALL conspiracy kooks, the ARRB probably was dying to fire him
(to save the Review Board any further embarrassment), but they decided
it might not look too good to fire the only conspiracy theorist on the
Review Board staff (it might look like the Board was "covering up"
something), so they let the kook named Horne stay on the staff and
they let him run wild with his own unique speculation by allowing him
lots of space in the Report in the form of "memos".
I feel sorry for Mr. Tunheim and the other ARRB members for having to
put up with Mr. Horne's tommyrot. One of those members was Anna K.
Nelson, who talks about her work with the ARRB in this C-Span interview
from October 1998.
QUOTING SOME REASONABLE AUTHORS
WHO POSSESS SOME COMMON SENSE:
"Before Doug Horne, the main beef that most conspiracy theorists
had with the autopsy surgeons was their alleged incompetence. But
thirty-five years after the assassination, Horne showed all these
naive, whippersnapper conspiracy theorists a thing or two. Humes and
Boswell weren't incompetent. They were criminals and co-conspirators.
"One would think that Horne would be ashamed of himself for
writing the memorandum he did. But to the contrary, he is very
"A great number of nuts have kept pumping out conspiracy
theories for years. But these are private nuts, on the outside as it
were. But when someone like Horne, working for an official review
board of the federal government, someone we expect to be responsible,
can author a document that couldn't possibly be any sillier or
transparently irresponsible, then unfortunately we know that the
notion of a conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination will be alive and
well until the crack of doom.
"I suppose it is a given that there will be other Doug Hornes
who will breast-feed the conspiracy loonies for generations to come
with their special lactations of bilge, blather, and bunk.
"One wants to take earnest, well-intentioned, and intelligent
people like Drs. David Mantik and Gary Aguilar seriously, even though
neither of them are pathologists. But when they take someone like Doug
Horne seriously, and accept his outrageous and patently false theory
as completely valid, it becomes much more difficult to take them
-- Vincent T. Bugliosi; Pages 435-444 of "Reclaiming History"
"While one of the pieces of physical evidence could conceivably
have been faked by an expert, there is no possibility that an expert,
or team of super-experts, could have fabricated the perfectly
coordinated whole. This brings to mind the recurrent theme in most
conspiracy books. All the officials alternate between the role of
"Keystone Kops", with the inability to recognize the implications of
the most elementary evidence, and "Evil Geniuses", with superhuman
abilities to fake physical evidence that is in complete agreement with
all the other faked evidence."
-- Larry M. Sturdivan; Page 246 of "The JFK Myths"
ON FEBRUARY 23, 2010, JAMES H. FETZER FELT COMPELLED TO CHIME IN WITH THIS HILARIOUS EJACULATION:
Anyone who would cite Vincent Bugliosi on the assassination has thereby disqualified himself as a student of the case. For serious reviews of his RECLAIMING HISTORY, visit AssassinationResearch.com.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
The above comment by James H. Fetzer comes from a person who takes
seriously the idea that Mary Moorman and Jean Hill should have
performed a multiplicity of activities in just 1.6 SECONDS while on
Elm Street on 11/22/63 (which was the total amount of time those two
women were visible in Abraham Zapruder's home movie).
Prof. Fetzer has disqualified himself (many times) from being
considered a "reasonable" and/or "rational" researcher when it comes
to the topic of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. (Not
to mention other topics--like 9/11.)
JAMES H. FETZER SAID:
Are these guys as dumb as they sound? We know the [Zapruder] film has been massively edited [~~LOL BREAK HERE~~] and the timeline has been contracted. The driver, William Greer, actually brought the limo to a halt to make sure JFK would be killed [~~ADDITIONAL LOL NEEDED HERE, OF COURSE~~]. .... So von Pein [sic], who actually knows better, is displaying a degree of hypocrisy that ALMOST defies belief [~~IT'S AN LOL HAT TRICK NOW~~]. If anyone here thinks he or his running mate, Paul May, are sincere, then check out the sources I am providing. And in relation to Mary Moorman and Jean Hill, all you have to do is read or listen to their own words. .... And...David Lifton reports how Gary Mack, who serves as the curator of The 6th Floor Museum, as incredible as that may be, attempts to manipulate Mary. [~~ONE LAST TIME: LOL!!~~]
DVP SAID (FIGHTING HIS WEAK BLADDER AFTER CONVERSING WITH KOOK FETZER, AS USUAL):
So, Professor Fetzer, do you still think that Mary Moorman and Jean
Hill could have accomplished everything on your previously-published
laundry list in the 1.6 seconds that are afforded them in the Zapruder
Film (as discussed more fully at the link below)?
Good gosh, even if you tack on an additional five seconds, Moorman &
Hill could still not have done everything you claim we SHOULD be
seeing those ladies do via an "unaltered" version of the Zapruder
Get real. And then grab some common sense, Jim. You could use a lot
more of that stuff.
STEVE (AT ALT.CONSPIRACY.JFK) SAID:
To DVP: I find it interesting that none of the nuts on this site responded to Horne's beliefs you pointed out [HERE and HERE]. They simply refer to peripheral issues that don't deal directly with Horne's nutty claims. This is to be expected.
It is clear that since "Reclaiming History" was released the nuts have been frantic for a messiah to deliver an opposing message. For them to hitch their wagons to Horne's ridiculous work is evidence of the desperate state the conspiracy asylum is in following the total destruction their theories received in "Reclaiming History".
I'll bet David Lifton is boiling mad that Horne has hijacked much of his ridiculous 1980 theory of pre-autopsy body alteration and is the "Conspiracy Flavor of the Month." By the way, how many respected medical experts agree with Horne's pre-autopsy body alteration theory?
The medical evidence is a Rorschach test. The results are in, and you [Ben Holmes] and Horne are retarded.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Thank you, Steve.
Thank you, Bud.
LINK TO ORIGINAL POST (FEBRUARY 24, 2010)
Posted By: David Von Pein