RONALD GRAMZA SAID:
The make-up of the [motorcade] procession and location of the motorcycle cops (and number), almost as if to free-up the "kill zone" and reduce the collateral damage to law enforcement personnel. Oh, AND the slowing down in the kill zone too. Not buying it yet.
VINNIE TIETO SAID:
Ronald, believe me, I was once where you are. I used to watch TV shows about this stuff in the 70's and laugh at people like David Belin (counsel for the WC) and say to myself "You blind fool!"
Then I started learning about the work of people like Steve Barber, and then I read "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner and for the first time all the pieces fell into place in a story that was logical and credible. Vince Bugliosi and David Von Pein have only reinforced it.
Trust me, there are reasonable explanations for all the things you bring up, and if you ask specific questions I'm sure you'll get answers. No arrogance here, just evidence-based facts or "very strong likelihoods" when ironclad proof isn't possible.
CHRIS SIMONDET SAID:
Will Greer said that he panicked and hit the brake when he meant to hit the accelerator - he was either in on it, or he messed up in an extremely stressful situation. I'm inclined to believe he wasn't trying to slow the car he was in down so someone could fire rifles at it.
There were other motorcades that were similarly or less protected. Calling David Von Pein to share some of his examples!
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Example #1.
Example #2.
GAYLE NIX JACKSON SAID:
I think Greer was too inexperienced for his position that day. That was the first time he drove. I think I read that in Vince Palamara's book.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Gayle, you are incorrect about William Greer being a novice at driving the President's vehicle. He was JFK's driver since November of 1960, per his own Warren Commission testimony.
Quoting Greer ---
"I drove the President at intervals during President Truman's and President Eisenhower's terms. I was also assigned a great many times to Mrs. Eisenhower. When she left Washington, I was always assigned to her, to travel with her. And I have been assigned to the President, to drive the President, since election day, with President Kennedy. I was the senior agent assigned to him, to drive him."
GAYLE NIX JACKSON SAID:
Thanks David! I know I read that Behn or someone was surprised that Greer was driving, but I can't remember where. Too many books, too old a mind.
JOHN KORNFEIND SAID:
Anyone who follows pre-conceived notions in nuts. Like Oswald was arrested by dozens of cops for not buying a movie ticket.
VINNIE TIETO SAID:
John, do you really believe that's why he was arrested?
JOHN KORNFEIND SAID:
No, that's the cover story. He was really arrested because he was the patsy from day one and the military tipped off the cops because they used his old address that was wrong.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
I always chuckle when the CTers insist that the police went to the theater only because Oswald didn't buy a ticket. Such a theory is nonsense, since Julia Postal was quite clear in her testimony--she told the police on the phone that Oswald was "running from them [the cops] for some reason".
And from Postal's call, it's obvious that the police official to whom Mrs. Postal spoke had the idea that J.D. Tippit's killer might be the man who just entered the theater.
Ergo, several squad cars were dispatched in a hurry to the theater. Nothing could be more logical and sensible. But in the hands of many of the always-suspicious conspiracy nuts, it becomes a case of the cops ONLY going there to see about the man who didn't pay his 90 cents for the movie ticket.
It should also be pointed out that there is nothing in Julia Postal's Warren Commission testimony that even indicates that she told the police that the man (Oswald) hadn't purchased a ticket. It's possible, though, that she might have provided that information in her call to the DPD, but you won't find it in her WC session, I'll tell you that.
So there's a good chance the police didn't even know about the fact Oswald didn't buy a ticket. But even if they did, it's as clear as Jimmy Durante's schnozola that the primary reason for the cops going to the theater that day was to investigate a possible suspect in the shooting of Officer Tippit. To come to any other conclusion is just plain silly.
David Von Pein
February 27, 2014
