Jim DiEugenio, like most conspiracists, enjoys basking in conspiracy-tinged speculation, such as with the "paper bag" issue. Jim evidently thinks that fellow CTer Pat Speer has proven that the bag that L.D. Montgomery of the DPD is seen carrying out of the Book Depository on the afternoon of JFK's assassination (as seen in the photographs below) is not and could not be the same bag as the "Sniper's Nest" bag that is currently in evidence (which is CE142).
Pat Speer, of course, couldn't be more wrong on this issue, as he is
attempting to do something with 2-dimensional photographs that simply
cannot be done -- he's attempting to extract 3-dimensional information
from a 2D picture. Ask anyone who knows a lot about photo analysis and
photogrammetry (Dale Myers comes to mind), and they'll tell you how
hopeless such an endeavor truly is:
"I don't know how many ways to say it, but let me try it this
way -- no one can deduce a three dimensional angle in space by holding
a ruler or protractor against a two dimensional photograph or computer
monitor. The principles of photogrammetry explain why this methodology
leads to false results." -- Dale K. Myers; August 20, 2008
But DiEugenio WANTS to believe that there was some "mystery bag"
removed from the Depository, and Pat Speer's incorrect photo analysis
serves Jim's purpose just fine, thank you.
In reality, of course, there were TWO paper bags that were assigned
"CE" numbers by the Warren Commission in 1964 -- CE142 (which is the
bag seen in the Sniper's Nest by policemen Carl Day and Bob Studebaker,
with Lieutenant Day's handwritten notations appearing on that bag):
And there is CE364, which is a "replica" bag that was made by the FBI
at the TSBD on December 1, 1963. And the reason for the replica bag
being created was fully and logically explained by James Cadigan of
the FBI during his Warren Commission testimony:
JAMES CADIGAN [at 4 H 93] -- "Commission Exhibit 364...is a paper sack similar to Commission Exhibit 142. It was made at the Texas School Book Depository on December 1, 1963, by special agents of the FBI in Dallas to show to prospective witnesses, because Commission's Exhibit 142 was dark and stained from the latent fingerprint treatment and they thought...it wouldn't be fair to the witness to ask, "Did you see a bag like that?", so they went to the Texas School Book Depository and constructed from paper and tape a similar bag."
I've gone a few rounds with Pat Speer on a similar (but not identical)
JFK-assassination sub-topic concerning the "paper bag". Here are two
examples: ONE and TWO.
MORE "DEBATE" NOTES:
Jim DiEugenio sounded especially ridiculous when he said to the Black
Op Radio audience (during his 9/24/09 debate with John McAdams) that
there were "three autopsies" performed on President Kennedy's body.
DiEugenio apparently thinks that when the Clark Panel was assembled to
study the autopsy photos and X-rays in 1968, this qualified as an
extra "autopsy" being done on JFK's body. Of course, as usual, Jim D.
is off the rails of reality when he implied such a nonsensical thing.
The Clark Panel was created so that four pathologists could examine
JFK's autopsy photos and X-rays, with the Panel then writing a report
as to what information was revealed in those pictures and X-rays. And
the Clark Panel did just that, reaching the only conclusion they could
possibly reach, and that is: JFK was shot only TWO times, with both
bullets entering Kennedy's body from BEHIND.
The Clark Panel also clarified the location of the entry wound in
JFK's head, with the Panel (again) coming to the only possible
rational conclusion in that regard too -- i.e., the entry wound was
located high on Kennedy's head, near the cowlick area. And this
declaration, per DiEugenio's way of thinking, means that the Clark
boys performed another "autopsy" on the President. LOL.
DiEugenio slipped ever deeper into "kook" territory when he declared
that it was his belief that Lee Harvey Oswald was not the gunman who
murdered Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit. I was smiling ear to ear
when I heard Mr. DiEugenio say that on 9/24/09.
Prior to that specific date of 9/24/09, I hadn't actually heard Jim D.
come right out and say that he thought Oswald was innocent of Tippit's
murder (in addition to LHO being innocent of JFK's assassination too;
Jim, incredibly, evidently thinks that Oswald didn't shoot anybody on
So it was nice to be able to hear DiEugenio himself say that he
believes Oswald didn't shoot Tippit (although Jim almost certainly HAS
said it before September 2009, either on radio or TV or somewhere
within his written articles and books, but I had not been aware of it
prior to 9/24/09), because such a belief will forever ensure his
enrollment in the "Anybody But Oswald" Kook Club. And that particular
type of horribly-misguided "ABO" conspiracy theorist is always super-
easy to combat and dismantle....because his "ABO" beliefs are so
totally silly (and provably wrong) right from the get-go.
QUOTING JOHN McADAMS:
"I want the listeners to start making a count of the number of people that, if you believe Jim [DiEugenio], had to be involved with faking evidence. What he said about [Silvia] Duran was just absurd."
"I'm just sitting here doing a count of the number of evil conspirators in Jim's theory, and of course it includes all the autopsists, it includes everybody who worked for the House Select Committee and every other panel, and now it includes the Dallas Police.
"For example, he talks about the paper bag. .... He doesn't mention that Oswald's palmprint and a fingerprint were found on that bag. So the [allegation of the] bag in evidence being different from the bag brought out from the Depository, I'm afraid that's just crackpot photo analysis along the lines that Jack White would probably do." -- John McAdams; September 24, 2009
David Von Pein
LINK TO ORIGINAL POST (SEPTEMBER 27, 2009)