DVP vs. DiEUGENIO
JAMES DiEUGENIO SAID:
So here you go saying Oswald killed Tippit and yet, you cannot even:
1. Prove he had the revolver in his possession
2. Prove the bullets came from that revolver
3. Prove the shells were fired at Tippit that day
4. Prove the automatic shells were not switched
5. Prove Oswald ever purchased ammo--remember the fast frisk that came up with nothing?
And to top it off, someone dropped a mock up of Oswald's wallet at the scene. And Oswald's prints are not on the car.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Jim is delusional (as usual). He props up the most ridiculous things in his lame attempts to exonerate a double-killer....such as ALL of the above.
And I love #4 -- Jimbo seems to thinks it's incumbent upon ME to prove that the shells "WERE NOT SWITCHED", instead of Jim having to prove that they WERE "switched".
Sorry, James, that's not how it works. And you, of course, know it.
And Jim's fifth item above seems to suggest that Jim now believes the 5 bullets were PLANTED on the person of Lee Oswald. LOL. Please tell me, Jim, that you truly believe that those bullets were "planted" in Oswald's pocket by the police. I want to see you type that out for everybody to see.
And while you're at it, why not tell us how you think the paper bus transfer was "planted" in LHO's pocket too. You surely believe that item was planted too, don't you Jim? Remember, there are no creases or folds in it. That PROVES it was planted, right?!
>>> "You like to argue in circles. And after every round you lose, you just start over somewhere else. Never acknowledging you cannot prove anything even though you are the prosecution and bear the burden of proof." <<<
LOL. I love that last hunk of crap, coming as it does right on the heels of Jimbo's #4 item of insanity above. Allow me to place these two gems from Jimbo The Delusional back-to-back, so that the LOL and Pot/Kettle effects from these remarks can sink in even more:
"Prove the automatic shells were not switched."
"You are the prosecution and bear the burden of proof."
Let's take Jim's riduculous and insane list of things, one-by-one:
1.) "Prove he had the revolver in his possession" --- Jim wants me to prove that Lee Harvey Oswald had Smith & Wesson Revolver No. V510210 "in his possession".
This first item on Jim's list doesn't even warrant a reply, because it's so utterly stupid and idiotic, but I'll play along anyway--just for the laughs.
Oswald was caught RED-HANDED with that EXACT revolver (Serial Number #V510210) in his hands when he was arrested in the Texas Theater on 11/22/63, just thirty-five minutes after a policeman had been murdered with that EXACT SAME GUN.
Jim D., as we all can see by now, is totally delusional, and will continue to ignore the BEST EVIDENCE in the JFK and J.D. Tippit murder cases until he draws his last breath of polluted Los Angeles air.
2.) "Prove the bullets came from that revolver" --- Given the sum total of all the evidence in the Tippit case (including the ballistics evidence and eyewitness testimony), the bullets that killed J.D. Tippit had NO CHOICE but to have come out of Smith & Wesson Revolver #V510210.
And part of that "sum total" of evidence is the testimony of Illinois firearms identification expert Joseph D. Nicol, who testified that it was his opinion
that one of the four bullets that was removed from J.D. Tippit's body had positively been fired from S&W revolver #V510210 to the exclusion of all other weapons [see 3 H 512].
It is true, however, that none of the FBI firearms experts who also examined the same Tippit bullets would say that any of the bullets could be matched to the S&W revolver "to the exclusion". But Nicol is on record as saying it was his opinion that ONE of the bullets (but only one) could be linked conclusively to that revolver.
And that's kind of funny in and of itself. I mean, here we have various firearms guys from the FBI looking at the same bullets that Nicol was examining, but the FBI men (led by, according to Jim DiEugenio, one of the chief "Let's Pin Everything On Oswald" cover-up operatives connected to the case, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover) are the ones who DIDN'T say that any of the Tippit bullets could be conclusively matched to Oswald's pistol. But the INDEPENDENT firearms guy who was brought in by the Warren Commission, Joe Nicol, DID say that one bullet could be linked to LHO's gun.
I just think that's kind of ironic, considering the great lengths that conspiracy theorists like Mr. DiEugenio have gone to in order to smear Hoover and his Federal Bureau of Investigation when it comes to the JFK case.
If we're to believe DiEugenio when it comes to how bad the FBI conducted itself in this double-murder case, you would think that those final determinations regarding the Tippit bullets would have been reversed--with the rotten, evil FBI boys saying that one or more bullets could be tied irrevocably to the gun that was owned by their all-time favorite patsy.
BTW, Jim, why didn't the FBI lie and just go along with Nicol's "to the exclusion" conclusion?
Food for thought anyway.
When it comes down to the brass tacks and the meat-and-potatoes of the situation, Jim DiEugenio HAS to know that Oswald's V510210 revolver killed Tippit. But, as he always does, Jimbo will grab for the chaff instead of harvesting the wheat that is consuming him.
The "wheat", of course, in this instance (apart from the one bullet that Nicol said was definitely fired from Oswald's gun) would include the four bullet shells that littered Tenth Street just after Officer Tippit was killed.
And even WITHOUT the two "Poe" shells, Oswald's guilt can be conclusively established--via the OTHER TWO SHELLS that were picked up by two more civilian witnesses at the scene of the crime (Barbara Davis and Virginia Davis), which are two bullet shells/hulls that did not pass through the hands of Dallas Patrolman J.M. Poe.
3.) "Prove the shells were fired at Tippit that day" --- Here again we're treated to another example of a conspiracy theorist looking sideways at some of the evidence and declaring, in effect, "This evidence is not what it seems to be".
CTers are experts at dredging up the "Nothing Is What It Seems To Be" dodge when it comes to virtually all of the evidence connected with BOTH President Kennedy's and J.D. Tippit's murders.
The conspiracy-happy clowns like DiEugenio, of course, are FORCED to dredge up that silly argument. Because if they don't, then their #1 patsy named Lee Harvey is as guilty as Hitler.
So, as part of this dodge, DiEugenio wants me to prove that the four bullet shells that were found and recovered at the Tippit murder scene itself on the day of the murder were, in fact, fired at Tippit from Oswald's revolver that very same day.
Anyone on the planet, of course, could utilize this same type of silly dodge. In fact, I think I'll turn the tables on Delusional Jim and ask the very same thing of him right now:
Hey Jim -- Prove to me that that "pointy-nosed" bullet that you say was the real stretcher bullet found by Darrell Tomlinson at Parkland Hospital was really fired at somebody on November 22, 1963?
And also prove to me that the bullet you say was found and handled by Deputy Sheriff Al Maddox was really fired on 11/22/63. Maybe that bullet had been in Dealey Plaza since 1955. Who can tell, right?
And the same question applies to the other non-Oswald bullets and shells that you think were found in and around the Dealey Plaza crime scene. Prove that any of those bullets/shells were fired from guns being aimed at John F. Kennedy on November 22nd.
4.) "Prove the automatic shells were not switched" --- Well, since no "automatic" shells were ever left at the murder scene by the ONE AND ONLY gunman who killed Tippit (with that gunman being Lee Oswald, of course), then this #4 item on Jim's list is really pretty much moot in the first place.
Once again, we've got Jim D. doing a really, really rotten job of evaluating the TOTALITY of the evidence in this case.
Jim knows full well that there was ONLY ONE PERSON firing ONLY ONE GUN at Officer J.D. Tippit on 10th Street. And since automatic weapons will AUTOMATICALLY eject their spent shells after bullets are fired from those guns, this would mean that if Jim is correct, then the killer with the AUTOMATIC gun was firing at Tippit from the CORNER of 10th Street and Patton Avenue (which, of course, is the area where all four of Oswald's spent bullet cartridges were found after the shooting).
Or, as an alternative (and the only alternative Jim The Delusional has here), I guess the gunman who fired the automatic weapon at Tippit picked up his automatic shell casings near Tippit's patrol car (which is, of course, the location where the one and only gunman [Oswald] was seen firing bullets at Tippit) and then carried those automatic shells to the corner of Tenth & Patton and then threw them on the ground.
DiEugenio, of course, knows that neither of the above two alternatives really took place, and Jim also knows that's it's highly unlikely that ALL THREE of the civilian witnesses (Domingo Benavides, Virginia Davis, and Barbara Davis) who said that they saw the killer physically dumping bullet shells onto the ground near the Davis residence on the corner were ALL telling a big fat lie about the murderer physically dumping shells out of his gun (which means, of course, that that gun was not an AUTOMATIC weapon--it was a REVOLVER--because an automatic would not need to have its spent cartridges physically removed from the chamber of the gun; but this little fact means zilch to James DiEugenio).
But even though Jim knows about all of the above rock-solid facts, he will continue to insist that an "automatic" gun killed J.D. Tippit.
BTW, Dale Myers fully explains Gerald Hill's erroneous remark about "automatic shells" being found at the Tippit murder scene. See Myers' 1998 book "With Malice" for the complete (and logical) story on that topic.
5.) "Prove Oswald ever purchased ammo--remember the fast frisk that came up with nothing?" --- As mentioned earlier, this item here makes it sound like Jim believes the pistol bullets were planted in Oswald's pocket by evil conspirators. But that idea is just plain weird.
The police already had Oswald's gun, plus the SIX LIVE ROUNDS that were loaded into the chamber of that gun. But they still had a desire to frame him SOME MORE by placing another five bullets in his pocket?? That's silly beyond belief.
And this idea that conspiracy theorists routinely raise about Oswald never having bought any bullets to put into his Mannlicher-Carcano C2766 rifle is just another in a never-ending series of stupid topics raised by the rabid CTers of the world.
Despite Delusional DiEugenio's paper-thin arguments to the contrary, Lee Harvey Oswald unquestionably purchased Carcano Rifle #C2766 from Klein's Sporting Goods in March of 1963.
And since we know that Oswald/"Hidell" definitely purchased that rifle from Klein's, then it stands to reason that Oswald would have seen to it that he had a supply of bullets to put into that Carcano rifle after purchasing it (even though he didn't buy the bullets from Klein's).
And all reasonable and sensible people also know that Oswald DID, indeed, obviously obtain some bullets to put into his Carcano carbine rifle in the year 1963, because Oswald himself fired bullets from that very gun at President Kennedy on November 22nd of that year.
Plus, we also know (based on the sum total of evidence that says it's true) that Oswald also fired one bullet from that same rifle at retired General Edwin A. Walker on the 10th of April of that same year, 1963.
As for Jim's two unnumbered items: the wallet issue and the lack of any Oswald prints on Tippit's police car:
As discussed at length previously, the wallet that may have been found on the ground on Tenth Street on 11/22/63 almost certainly did NOT belong to Lee Harvey Oswald and it also almost certainly did NOT contain any reference to Oswald either.
Because if it had been connected in ANY way to the person who was charged with committing Tippit's murder, there would be some mention of that wallet SOMEWHERE in the official police record of the case. But there isn't. Hence, it couldn't possibly be a wallet that was "connected" in some way to Oswald. That's only common sense.
Plus, I don't think it's been proven that ANY wallet was "found" on the ground at that murder scene. The wallet could be ANYBODY'S for all we know. Although I do tend to believe it probably was found on the ground at the murder scene and that it belonged to J.D. Tippit. [More wallet talk HERE.]
And I have no idea why Jim DiEugenio thinks that Oswald's prints would have necessarily had to be anywhere on Tippit's car. His fingerprints weren't on the car because it's very likely he never touched Tippit's car with his fingers or hands. Simple as that.
And as for some unidentified prints being lifted from Tippit's car door or right front fender (or possibly both) -- So what? What does that prove?
Don't tell me that you think it would have been impossible for the patrol car of a Dallas city policeman to have been touched by someone prior to the time Tippit arrived at Tenth and Patton on November 22nd?
In other words -- What makes you think any unidentified prints on Tippit's car HAD to have been left there by Tippit's murderer? Couldn't some NON-MURDERER have touched that car earlier that day?
David Von Pein
LINK TO ORIGINAL POST (AUGUST 18, 2010)
Posted By: David Von Pein