DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Was Johnny Brewer supposedly part of the evil plot that swirled relentlessly around Lee Oswald in November of 1963? If not, then a lot of CTers have a big problem, don't they?
MARTIN WEIDMANN SAID:
Oh, I don't think Brewer was supposed to do anything. I have no problem with accepting that he saw somebody going into the TT [Texas Theater], causing him to tell [Julia] Postal to call the police, although I find the last bit a bit extreme to say the least. Calling the police for a guy who entered the TT without buying a ticket? Really?
And just look how many cops showed up. You would hardly believe there were any left to investigate the murder of a President. Perhaps failure to buy a ticket was the more severe crime?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Martin,
Johnny Brewer didn't have Julia Postal call the police merely because Oswald didn't buy a movie ticket. You know that.
Brewer thought Oswald looked "scared" and "funny" BEFORE Oswald ever entered the theater. And Brewer thought LHO might have some connection to the officer's shooting nearby. And Oswald's ducking the wailing police cars only made Brewer more suspicious of him.
(This stuff doesn't REALLY need to be explained over and over again, does it?)
MARTIN WEIDMANN SAID:
David,
Who told you what Oswald did after Kennedy was shot?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Many people....including:
Mrs. Robert A. Reid
Cecil McWatters
Mary Bledsoe
William Whaley
Earlene Roberts
William Scoggins
Helen Markham
Domingo Benavides
Jack Tatum
Sam Guinyard
Ted Callaway
Barbara Davis
Virginia Davis
Harold Russell
Mary Brock
Johnny Brewer
Gerald Hill
M.N. McDonald
C.T. Walker
Paul Bentley
J. Will Fritz
Harry Holmes
James Hosty
James Bookhout
Many other DPD officers and Sheriff's officers.
[Are all of the above people liars and patsy framers?]
Plus, we learned a little bit of info from Lee Harvey Oswald himself. In this one short hallway appearance, Oswald tells multiple lies.
MARTIN WEIDMANN SAID:
Who told you what actually happened in the Texas Theater?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Johnny Brewer
Gerald Hill
M.N. McDonald
C.T. Walker
Paul Bentley
Plus many other DPD officers.
MARTIN WEIDMANN SAID:
How do you know these things for sure?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Well, unless all of the DPD personnel were liars (and why would I believe anything so crazy?), then Lee Oswald fought like mad with the cops in the Texas Theater and tried to shoot at least one officer when he pulled a loaded revolver out of his pants after making one or two statements which make no sense at all if LHO had been totally innocent of any wrong-doing on November 22nd.
MARTIN WEIDMANN SAID:
Since the statements from all these people were selected and published by the Warren Commission, your only real source is the Commission's final report.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Dead wrong. As proven by these NON-Warren Commission interviews.....
CECIL McWATTERS
WILLIAM WHALEY
EARLENE ROBERTS
HELEN MARKHAM
DOMINGO BENAVIDES
TED CALLAWAY
JOHNNY BREWER
GERALD HILL
M.N. McDONALD & PAUL BENTLEY
JAMES HOSTY
MARTIN WEIDMANN SAID:
What happened to the driver's license and credit card that Bentley said he found in Oswald's wallet?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
In that WFAA interview with Paul Bentley, it's fairly obvious that Bentley was only GENERALIZING the other items that he thought MIGHT have been in Oswald's wallet. In that interview, Bentley wasn't attempting to itemize each and every card that Oswald had. And he was NOT saying positively that Oswald had a driver's license or credit cards. He was merely talking about the basic types of cards a person would normally have in their wallet. Here are Bentley's exact words from his 11/23/63 WFAA-TV interview:
"He had other identification, such as driver's license, I believe, and credit cards and things like that."
Please take note of the two key words in the above quote -- "I believe."
So Bentley wasn't sure what the other cards were. He was merely guessing.
But where does this argument take a conspiracy theorist anyway? Are you suggesting that the person from whom that wallet was plucked from a back pocket WASN'T really Lee Harvey Oswald at all? Is that your belief?
Where do you plan on going with any argument that the "Oswald" in the police car really did have a driver's license and a credit card on him?
Did the cops decide to destroy those documents? What in the world for?
MARTIN WEIDMANN SAID:
And who was arrested in the balcony of the TT? Several officers wrote this in their report and they can't all be mistaken about the same event at the same time, can they?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Nobody was arrested in the balcony and all sensible people know it.
And yes, any police officers who stated that a person was arrested "in the balcony" are wrong. Simple as that.
And it IS certainly possible for many people to be completely wrong about the SAME THING. Take the Mauser business as just one example of a "Group Inaccuracy". Craig, Weitzman, Boone, and possibly even Captain Fritz initially said the rifle found in the Book Depository looked like a Mauser. But they were simply mistaken. Yes, ALL of them. (And, of course, Roger Craig was a provable liar too. But that's yet another discussion.)
How do we know they were simply mistaken?
Because if they weren't, a MAUSER would be in the National Archives today as part of the evidence collected in the JFK murder investigation.
~~~ [DVP now prepares for a massive hurricane, in the form of numerous CTers who still insist to this day that a Mauser was found in the TSBD, with those CTers berating DVP for being so incredibly stupid and so amazingly gullible to actually accept the later statements of Seymour Weitzman and Eugene Boone, wherein both of those Sheriff's officers admitted they were mistaken when they initially identified the TSBD rifle as a Mauser.] ~~~
TONY FRATINI SAID:
So, let's consider a "hypothetical" - if you were going to "set up" LHO to take the blame for the assassination of JFK - how would you do it?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Here's how....
How To Frame A Patsy (And How Not To Do It)
Note -- The above link isn't about how the POLICE would go about framing Oswald. But what I want to know from CTers is this re: the cops ---
Why would any of the Dallas cops have any desire to want to frame an INNOCENT Oswald--especially with respect to the murder of their friend and fellow officer?
Is there ANY good and satisfactory answer to my last question above? I can't think of one.
TONY FRATINI SAID:
How about just leaving the MC anywhere in the TSBD? Would it achieve the same thing in framing LHO?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Not if you're also going to place a second gunman on the Grassy Knoll to also fire shots at JFK.
Via such a multi-gun plan (which almost all Internet conspiracy theorists believe), you'd better make sure you've got two "patsies", because just one patsy named Oswald in the Book Depository ain't gonna cut it.
David Von Pein
October 15-16, 2014 [This forum link is no longer available.]
