DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Tom [Scully],
Your analysis of Z224 is wrong. JFK's hands aren't "drawn up" at Z224. Why are you even suggesting such a thing? Both of his hands are still pretty low at Z224. In fact, his left hand is very low in Z224; practically in his lap.
And Kennedy's right hand actually is going DOWNWARD between Z224 and Z225. The upward movement of JFK's hands to his mouth/neck area doesn't start until Z226, perfectly consistent with him being hit at Z224:
Another thing that makes no sense at all (via your theory of JFK's hands "going for his throat" at Z198) is this:
If he's going for his throat as early as Z198, then why are JFK's hands where they are (very low and way BELOW his throat) as late as Z225? Makes zero sense.
Also ----
Of course, John Connally appears to be "unruffled" at exactly Z224 (except for the lapel flip/"bulge" and his right shoulder dropping down and pitching forward slightly from the impact of Oswald's CE399 missile). That's because Z224 is the "impact" frame, IMO. He hasn't had any time to start reacting yet (either voluntarily or involuntarily).
We don't start to see any "ruffling" of Connally until one frame later, at Z225, when his face suddenly distorts, he opens his mouth (it was closed at Z224), and both shoulders start to "hunch" up. He's beginning to involuntarily react at that precise moment--at Z225. And then, one frame later at Z226, we see Connally's right arm start to rise. He had just been hit in the RIGHT wrist by a bullet.
Check the two clips above to observe every one of those involuntary reactions I just mentioned.
CLIFF VARNELL SAID:
JFK reached for his throat before he went behind the sign.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Then why aren't his hands AT HIS THROAT at Z225? This makes no sense at all.
You're saying he reaches for his throat prior to going behind the Stemmons sign....then he lowers his hands considerably between the Z190s and Z225....then he jerks his hands very very quickly upward again to his throat and mouth starting at Z226???
Is that what you actually think occurred, Cliff?
That's crazy stuff.
But at least you've got one supporter for your incredible "UP, THEN DOWN, THEN UP AGAIN" theory -- Duncan MacRae endorses it.
A CONSPIRACY THEORIST SAID:
Just because they are reacting at the same time doesn't mean they were shot at the same time.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
The lengths that you conspiracists will go to in order to avoid the obvious.
Yeah, er, uh, well...uh...sure, it kinda looks like they're reacting at the same time, Dave. But other than that, Dave, what makes you think they were actually HIT at the same time?
Hi-lar-ious!
JAMES DiEUGENIO SAID:
JBC does not react until around frame 237.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Yeah, sure, Jim. All of this shoulder-flinching and hunching and mouth-opening and grimacing and arm-raising by John B. Connally is all just a great-big mirage. It's not really happening. I'm merely dreaming it. Right, Jimbo? ....
A CONSPIRACY THEORIST SAID:
His [JFK's] right hand was right under his throat at Z225, after which he attempted to cough up the projectile.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Oh, good Lord. How silly.
You got that "coughing" theory from Gil Jesus, didn't you? Or was it from Bill Miller?
A CONSPIRACY THEORIST SAID:
David, for your assertions to be accurate, it follows that what we are viewing in the Zapruder film are the limbs, heads, and torsos of JFK, JBC, and yes, even of Jackie must be exhibiting reactive movement at sound barrier breaking speeds.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Let's have a look at HSCA Volume 7:
"At issue is the time delay between bullet impact and the observable reactions of each man to his injury, which in turn is determined by many factors, including whether or not their reactions were voluntary or involuntary. If involuntary, they would have occurred almost simultaneously with the injuries. If voluntary, there is often a slight delay in reacting." -- 7 HSCA 179
REPLAY:
"If involuntary, they would have occurred almost simultaneously with the injuries."
David Von Pein
August 27, 2010
