JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 870)


JON HAMBLETON SAID:

No evidence puts Lee Harvey Oswald on the sixth floor with his hands wrapped around the M-C rifle at 12:30 on 11/22/63. There is only circumstantial evidence that links him to the weapon (one of at least four) in evidence and that does not prove anything beyond a shadow of doubt.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Oswald's rifle was the murder weapon.

Oswald's prints were all over the place where the sniper was located (DEEP INSIDE the Sniper's Nest).

Oswald lied repeatedly about things he would have no reason to lie about if he was innocent. (Curtain rods, anyone? .... I never owned a rifle. .... Shelley told me I could leave. .... I bought that pistol in Fort Worth. .... I've never heard the name A.J. Hidell before. .... That's my head pasted onto somebody else's body.)

Oswald was in the building when JFK was killed.

Oswald had no provable alibi for his whereabouts at 12:30.

Oswald LIED about his whereabouts at 12:30.

Oswald was, in effect, a POLITICAL ASSASSIN seven months prior to November 22 (when he shot at General Walker in April '63).

And finally:

http://OSWALD-IS-GUILTY.blogspot.com

And I didn't even mention the name Howard Brennan or the fact that Oswald killed J.D. Tippit either.

Isn't it time for the Anybody-But-Oswald conspiracists to toss in the towel and just admit that Sweet Lee wasn't all that sweet after all? You have to twist the evidence into a big pretzel to believe otherwise.


ADDENDUM:

Every conspiracy theorist should be required to watch the video linked below featuring David W. Belin of the Warren Commission. His speech is loaded with ECS&F (Evidence, Common Sense, & Facts):




Excerpt......

"The very fact that [Oliver Stone's movie] 'JFK' adopts the lies of Oswald and asserts that the [backyard] picture was part of a frame-up is a vivid example of how a movie dedicated to the truth incorporates outright lies together with misrepresentations and omissions as the movie persuades its audience that Earl Warren and the Warren Commission covered up the truth.

[...]

The truth has a long fuse, and ultimately it prevails. Please help shorten the length of that fuse by digging the way journalists are supposed to dig and exposing the more than 100 major misrepresentations, omissions, and lies that have been perpetrated by Warner Brothers, [Kevin] Costner, and [Oliver] Stone. What they have done is just plain evil. And intelligent people who care for our country should not let them get away with it, particularly when they are now trying to invade our public schools with their lies."


-- David W. Belin; March 26, 1992


COLIN CROW SAID:

Just a quick one David, a technicality really, would he [Oswald] really qualify as an assassin prior to 11/22/63? General Walker was still alive. I understood that to qualify as an assassin, one had to be successful. Perhaps incompetent, wanna-be assassin or even a possible conspirator in phony staged assassination attempts might even be arguable.

As for your other stuff, yeah he lied about some stuff, he was obviously involved in something. Does it prove he pulled the trigger? Not neccessarily. As for Brennan, he did not see the shooter, only the rifle. We've dealt with this before. [Amos] Euins was in a better position and had a better view (and younger eyes).


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Colin,

What do you mean Brennan never saw the shooter? Of COURSE Brennan SAW the shooter--and later IDed him as Oswald.


COLIN CROW SAID:

David, check this thread. Euins had a better angle to see the shooter.....saw him for longer also.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

But to say Brennan never saw the shooter is just a lie, Colin. Simple as that.


COLIN CROW SAID:

I apologise David, I posted in haste. The inference from your initial post was that Brennan ID'd Oswald as the shooter. I would argue that Brennan could not have ID'd anyone from what he saw in that window at the time of the 3rd shot. So my statement should have read --- Brennan could not have ID'd anyone with certainty from what he saw in those seconds.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

But Brennan didn't ONLY see Oswald in the sniper's window "at the time of the 3rd shot". Brennan saw the shooter (Oswald) in the window "a couple of times" PRIOR to the third shot, giving Brennan MORE TIME to see the shooter (whom he later positively said was Lee Oswald).

"I saw this one man on the sixth floor which left the window to my knowledge a couple of times." -- H.L. Brennan

EDIT: Or do you really want to argue that the "couple of times" Brennan saw Oswald PRIOR to the firing of the third shot, Brennan actually saw someone else and not Oswald? Or vice-versa?

You surely don't want to climb out on that shaky limb, do you Colin?


COLIN CROW SAID:

David, just because you said Oswald was an assassin before 11/22/63 (and he obviously wasn't), I wouldn't call that a lie. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and put it down to either carelessness or ignorance. ;)


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Come now, Colin. I know you know a lot of the witness testimony (probably by heart). And when you said this earlier....

"As for Brennan, he did not see the shooter, only the rifle."

....What was I supposed to think? That statement IS a lie. Plain and simple. You were implying that Brennan was akin to Bob Jackson or Mal Couch (i.e., witnesses who saw ONLY THE GUN, not the "shooter"). And you certainly know better than that.


COLIN CROW SAID:

So, you hold that Brennan's I.D. of Oswald (shaky as it was, but let's not even go there) was based on him seeing someone earlier. This guy did not have a rifle. He assumed that the first guy was the same person with the rifle because they were in the same window. Other people saw 2 people on the 6th Floor as I'm sure you are aware (not Brennan though). It was an understandable assumption from someone in his position, not neccessarily a valid one.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

In an earlier post, I added a paragraph regarding any potential theory of yours about Brennan possibly seeing two different people in the Sniper's Nest window; and I added those comments before I saw your last post confirming that you actually seem to believe that (silly) theory.


COLIN CROW SAID:

David, Do you still think that Oswald was an assassin prior to the death of JFK?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

You don't have to harp on that, Colin. I've since gone back to that post and added two words -- "in effect".


COLIN CROW SAID:

NP [no problem] David, I am not all that easy about editing posts after the event (although I do occasionally, usually in a state of embarrassment to correct my appalling keyboard skills).

To be honest David, my read of Brennan's testimony changed a bit during my analysis of it.

[...]

It may have been one guy or 2 [that Brennan saw in the Sniper's Nest]. He was under enormous pressure and his actions were understandable. I do not think his testimony would have held up in trial. I don't believe he can be used to place Oswald in the window at the time of the last shot.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

And I can understand your reservations regarding Brennan. (Heck, if I were unfortunate enough to be a conspiracy theorist, I too would probably be saying the same things you are saying about Brennan--i.e., he couldn't have possibly positively identified Oswald in that window, etc.)

But the fact remains -- Howard Leslie Brennan DID positively I.D. Lee Oswald as the man he saw firing a rifle at President Kennedy in Dealey Plaza. And conspiracy theorists will just have to live with that FACT. Just as lone-assassin believers like me will have to forever live with the head-scratching fact that many witnesses at Parkland and Bethesda seemed to think that JFK had a great-big hole in the BACK of his head (a hole that was never there, of course, and the authenticated autopsy photos and X-rays prove that there was no hole in the back of the President's head; but that's another discussion altogether).

Yes, it's true that Brennan did not positively identify Oswald as the TSBD gunman ON NOVEMBER 22ND. But he did later state to the Warren Commission a reason for his not doing so. And, IMO, the reason was a perfectly understandable one -- he feared for the life of himself and his family.

Plus, conspiracy theorists often overlook the fact that the same Howard Brennan filled out an official sworn affidavit on November 22, 1963, which includes a description of the sixth-floor assassin....and that description is a pretty decent general description of the "slender white man" named Lee Harvey Oswald.

And I'll also remind you of another witness--Marrion Baker--who also stated that it was his belief that the man he encountered on the 2nd Floor just after the assassination was a man who was "approximately 30 years old", which is an (incorrect) age estimate that perfectly matches the age estimate supplied by Howard Brennan in all of his descriptions over the years for the sixth-floor assassin.

And, of course, we know for a FACT who it was that Baker ran into on the second floor that day--Lee Harvey Oswald.

Anyway, as I also stated in an earlier post which included a nice long laundry list of "Oswald Is Guilty" items, Howard Brennan isn't even needed to hang Oswald for Jack Kennedy's murder. Howard is merely a small layer of icing on an already well-frosted cake.


IN RESPONSE TO ONE OF MY POINTS RELATING TO OSWALD'S GUILT, PAUL DANZIG SAID:

Oswald was in the building when the president was shot....Oh WOW.....Better hang Oswald from the tallest tree.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID (WHILE SIGHING HEAVILY, BECAUSE I KNEW THAT SOME CONSPIRACY THEORIST WAS GOING TO CHASTISE ME FOR JUST THIS VERY THING):

Bulletin! --- In order to shoot someone from INSIDE a certain building, the shooter must be INSIDE that building when the victim is shot!

That particular item on my laundry list was, of course, merely corroborative, fitting in nicely with ALL THAT OTHER STUFF that CTers love to ignore and misrepresent constantly.

Was I supposed to LEAVE OUT the fact that OSWALD was, indeed, inside the building at 12:30 as the President was being killed with OSWALD'S rifle?

Geez.

David Von Pein
February 14, 2010