ROBERT HARRIS SAID:
How is it that you put 100% faith in this witness [Howard Brennan]...
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
I've already said in this very thread (twice!) [which is a thread that no longer exists at Duncan MacRae's JFK Assassination Forum due to the fact that the person who started the thread, Robert Harris, has since been kicked off of Duncan's forum, which (for some stupid reason) means that every single thread that Harris ever started at that forum is now deleted from the forum's archives, so nobody can ever read those threads ever again] that Brennan's observations are not even needed to hang Oswald for Kennedy's murder. The physical evidence and Oswald's OWN actions and LIES hang him 101 times over. Brennan is merely a cherry on top.
ROBERT HARRIS SAID:
How is this construction worker with bad vision better than all those doctors and cops?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Oh, goodie! A kook is going to revive Conspiracy Myth #403, the one about Brennan having "bad vision" on the day of the assassination.
ROBERT HARRIS SAID:
David, why do you continue to pretend that there was only one shooter, when you know you cannot prove that to save your life?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
A better question for Robert "Z285" Harris ---
Why do you keep pretending you KNOW there were multiple shooters in Dealey Plaza, when you know you cannot prove that to save your life?
The bottom-line FACT is this (and always will be) ---
There is EVIDENCE of ONE shooter. Bob WISHES there were two or more. But the only way he can shoehorn any more shooters into his scenario is via his totally SUBJECTIVE analysis of the Zapruder Film.
Postscript:
I want to congratulate Bob Harris -- he actually went two consecutive posts without inserting a series of annoying and incorrectly-used commas. Yay!
DVP VS. BOB HARRIS:
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/search?q=Robert+Harris
RICK NEEDHAM SAID:
I don't think he [Jesse Curry] ever doubted his [LHO's] presence within the building.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
And, of course, Curry never doubted Oswald's guilt until several years later when he wanted to write a conspiracy-slanted book on the subject.
Just watch these six interviews with Jesse Curry from Nov. 22 and 23, 1963, and then try to tell me that Curry thought Oswald was innocent:
GARY HOLT SAID:
I do not believe that Oswald killed Kennedy, or even tried too [sic].
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
And that puts you, Gary Holt, in the EXTREME minority of Americans. In fact, only 7% of Americans think Lee Oswald wasn't firing a gun at JFK (per the 1,031 people polled by ABC News in November 2003). And, btw, that number -- 1,031 -- is twice the number of people that were polled by Gallup that same year on the same subject. Let's take a gander:
ABC NEWS QUESTION --- "Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald was the only gunman in the Kennedy assassination, do you think there was another gunman in addition to Oswald there that day, or do you think Oswald was not involved in the assassination at all?":
ONLY OSWALD ----------- 32%
ANOTHER GUNMAN ------- 51%
OSWALD NOT INVOLVED -- 7%
NO OPINION ------------- 10%
Poll Source:
http://www.pollingreport.com/news3.htm#Kennedy
And yet, in my personal experience with them, a vast MAJORITY of assassination theorists on the Internet (including Gary Holt) think Lee Harvey Oswald was totally innocent of shooting John F. Kennedy.
Makes you think....doesn't it?
GARY HOLT SAID:
So, now your [sic] considering polls as evidence/proof?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
No, Gary, I'm just pointing out the fact that you "Anybody But Oswald" kooks are actually in the VAST MINORITY when it comes to believing that Oswald didn't fire a shot at President Kennedy on 11/22/63.
Would you like to now add the "ABC News Polling Service" to the long list of alleged liars and/or conspirators who have been trying to cover up the truth about JFK's murder since 1963?
JON HAMBLETON SAID:
LHO wasn't supposed to be connected to a conspiracy. He was supposed to take the fall. Be the patsy. Therefore there would be no connection to a conspiracy.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Is that why (according to almost every conspiracy theorist in the world) the proverbial "patsy" framers decided to shoot President Kennedy from MULTIPLE DIRECTIONS and with MULTIPLE GUNS THAT COULD NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS BE TRACED TO THEIR ONE AND ONLY "PATSY"?
Think about it, Jon. And after thinking about it for 20 seconds, admit that a MULTI-GUN assassination attempt against the President of the United States in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 does not, in any way, merge with this statement you just made:
"LHO wasn't supposed to be connected to a conspiracy. He was supposed to take the fall. Be the patsy. Therefore there would be no connection to a conspiracy."
JON HAMBLETON SAID:
Well David, there is logic and there is logic. I don't care whether you believe it or not, just read it through. A group gets together to assassinate the POTUS. They have LHO in Dallas. They have had him buy a rifle. They have possesion of that rifle so they can leave it on the 6th floor of the building LHO works in. They kill the POTUS, leave the rifle, and it connects LHO. LHO takes the fall.
[...]
If I was planning the assassination, I would want to have multiple gunmen, firing from multiple locations, to insure success. I would plan for extracting as many as possible. I would set up someone to take the heat off the rest by being set up as the patsy.
I would use any contacts I had within the CIA/SS/Pentagon to help direct investigation away from my group. I would have the body removed to a secure/controlled site for an autopsy so I could control what was found and reported. I would especially have all documentation validate that the patsy did it.
Of course I have no experience with covert/black ops, so I obviously have no concept of what it would take, or do I?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Wow, what a convoluted mess that is, Jon. What you've theorized above is a combination of illogic, idiocy, foolish risk-taking, and the absurd notion that gobs and gobs of people could be "controlled" after the shooting (so they wouldn't spill any of the conspiracy beans).
And, incredibly, all of that speculative garbage makes MORE sense to Jon Hambleton than just admitting that Oswald did it alone.
The power of Oliver Stone in the 21st century is remarkable, isn't it?
GARY HOLT, WHO PROBABLY WROTE THIS WITHOUT EVEN HAVING THE DECENCY OF TURNING A LITTLE RED IN THE FACE, SAID:
Considering the fact that Oswald WAS connected to the CIA, WAS also likely the person who alerted the FBI there would be an attempt on Kennedy in Dallas...knew Rudy [sic; Ruby] and many others, I think it far more likely he was acting to stop the assassination rather than as a shooter.
You cannot prove your theory any more than I can prove mine...but perhaps someday when all the records are released.......??
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Lee Harvey Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano that he used to murder President Kennedy --- $21.45.
Oswald's Smith & Wesson revolver that he used to murder Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit --- $31.22.
A conspiracy-happy kook who decides to turn all of the evidence in the JFK murder case completely upside-down in order to believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was trying "to stop the assassination" on November 22, 1963 --- Priceless!
David Von Pein
February 15, 2010
