Assorted conspiracists on Internet forums have said things in the past regarding animator, author, and lone-assassin believer Dale K. Myers, with those CTers implying that Mr. Myers was never a "conspiracy theorist" himself at any point in his life.
Those CTers apparently think that Myers is lying when he talks extensively in his FAQ section at his website about formerly being in the "conspiracy" camp himself prior to approximately 1993 or 1994:
Here's just one sample verbal exchange related to this particular topic concerning Mr. Myers (an exchange from June 2006 that involved myself, Anthony Marsh, and Ben Holmes). I'm quite sure there are many other similar examples; this one just happened to be the first one I came across when searching the forum's archives:
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
And, naturally, Dale K. Myers is a dirty, rotten bastard...with nothing on his mind other than putting forth the rotten lies of the WC & SBT....even though when he began his computer animation project he was a CTer himself. Right, Ben?
TONY MARSH THEN INTERJECTED:
Nah, never. Many WC defenders have tried to trick us by claiming that they were originally conspiracy believers, but they never produce any messages or articles they wrote at the time arguing conspiracy. They are simply lying. Pretending. Argument by Authority. .... What did Dale Myers ever say or publish that you think means he was once a conspiracy believer? Quotes please. .... He [Myers] is now pretending that he used to be a conspiracy believer.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Mr. Myers was obviously exhibiting "I'm A CTer" qualities/tendencies when he appeared in the '93 PBS special ["Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?"].
DAVID VON PEIN ALSO SAID:
I saw a post by John Kelin at The Education Forum that totally destroys Tony Marsh's above-mentioned comments about Dale Myers. Kelin interviewed Myers in 1982, and Mr. Kelin still has some audio tapes from that interview, including an MP3 audio file which contains the voice of Dale Myers in 1982, which was 16 years before he wrote the definitive book on the J.D. Tippit murder ("With Malice").
In the short audio clip that Kelin posted at The Education Forum [which is a clip that is no longer available, but I heard the audio clip for myself before it vanished from the Internet], Myers can be heard stating his belief that "I don't think Lee Harvey Oswald pulled the trigger". And in that quote, Myers was talking specifically about JFK's murder, not J.D. Tippit's.
But Myers also told Kelin this:
"I think I will be able to show, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Oswald was not the killer of J.D. Tippit."
So, another myth goes up in smoke. Mr. Myers is positively ON TAPE in 1982 stating his belief that a conspiracy existed in Dealey Plaza when JFK was killed. Since that time, however, Mr. Myers has come to his senses and has changed his opinion about a conspiracy.
The complete transcript of Kelin's 1982 interview with Myers is available.
CLICK HERE to see it. Here are a few excerpts:
John Kelin: What do you think about Lee Harvey Oswald? Could he have done it by himself?
Dale Myers: Oh, certainly: anybody could have done it by themselves. First off, I don't think Lee Harvey Oswald pulled the trigger.
John Kelin: The trigger, or a trigger?
Dale Myers: Okay, a trigger.
John Kelin: I mean – you know, if there were two gunmen, could he have been one of them?
Dale Myers: Exactly. Okay. Well the gun that was fired from the Texas School Book Depository was the gun that fired all the shots that hit any victims. And including the fatal shot. But I don't think he was the finger that was behind that trigger. Although there's no doubt that it was his rifle. And to say that he did not pull the trigger does not mean that he was not involved in some way; he obviously was involved. But as far as saying that he was guilty, I find that extremely hard to believe. And I think I'll show enough evidence to indicate, or that I think I could circumstantially beyond a reasonable doubt, so to speak, prove to anybody else, that he was not the man behind the trigger.
[...]
Dale Myers: Pretty much we're back at square one, where we were back in 1964. Or at least prior to '78, where there's really just no hard evidence that there was a man firing from the grassy knoll. Again, there's a tremendous amount of circumstantial evidence, and I still believe there was someone firing from the grassy knoll. But again, there's no hard evidence.
[...]
John Kelin: What do you think Oswald was doing at the time the shots were fired?
Dale Myers: Well, I think that he ---
John Kelin: This is just your opinion, I know...
Dale Myers: Exactly. Because there were no witnesses to what he was doing, which obviously makes it extremely suspicious. But just as there are no witnesses that give him an alibi, there are also no witnesses that can put him in the window with the gun in his hand. You know, in 1963, Police Chief Jesse Curry said, "This case is cinched. This is the man who killed the President." [DVP Interjection: Dale is incorrect here. It wasn't Jesse Curry who said the case is "cinched". It was Homicide Captain J. Will Fritz who made that statement.]
Three years later, he [Curry] told reporters, "We never had any evidence that Oswald was the man in the window." He says, "We don't have any witnesses that can put him in that window with the gun in his hands."
I think the evidence indicates – and there are a lot of eyewitnesses who saw him immediately before the shots – that he was probably on one of the lower floors having lunch.
John Kelin: Wasn't he seen on the lower floors just a minute or so after the shots were fired, by a cop and the building foreman?
Dale Myers: Exactly. That's an extremely – well, that really is pretty much the alibi. If you're looking for an alibi that Oswald would have had, that would have been his alibi. And I will go into that in depth in the lecture. In fact, I've got photographic evidence – because I like to use hard evidence in my lectures as well – I've got photographic evidence that indicates that not only is – well, it's extremely unlikely that Oswald could have been the gunman, based upon that. There are some photographs that were taken that indicate the gunman lingered in the window ... it deals with the boxes in the window.
[...]
John Kelin: Your area of expertise is J.D. Tippit's murder?
Dale Myers: Exactly.
John Kelin: How does that figure in?
Dale Myers: Well that's the amazing thing. Because, you know, that's one of the most under-researched, the little-talked about – you know, Mark Lane, it was a chapter in his book. Most other writers – Summers, it was a half a page, you know – well, they're trying to encompass the whole assassination, and it's really all they could devote. But really, you could write a book on just the murder of J.D. Tippit [and Dale did precisely that, with the book "With Malice", released in 1998]. And it's extremely important.
And I think the best person to quote on that would be one of the Warren Commission staffers himself, David Belin, who of course was one of the prime motivators, a prosecutor so to speak, proponent, of the lone gunman theory, and the fact that Oswald was alone in this whole thing.
And he said about the Tippit murder, that "The murder of Dallas patrolman J.D. Tippit is the Rosetta Stone of the assassination of President Kennedy." It's the Rosetta Stone of the case against Lee Harvey Oswald. In other words, if Lee Harvey Oswald killed J.D. Tippit, in other words if we can prove that, then it stands to reason, and extremely logical, and I would follow his logic, that he also killed President Kennedy. Because we show a capacity for violence. And not only violence in his lifetime, but forty-five minutes after President Kennedy is shot. Okay?
But also, let's look at it the other way. If we can prove, or show, that Oswald did not kill J.D. Tippit, then we raise the question of whether or not he murdered President Kennedy. Because we remove the capacity for violence that David Belin used to help the Warren Commission paint the picture of a lone gunman, you know, on Lee Harvey Oswald.
I think I will be able to show, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Oswald was not the killer of J.D. Tippit. That Tippit's murder was connected to the assassination of the President. And that the reason Oswald was arrested was because the FBI had advance knowledge of his activities.
[End Interview Excerpts.]
Maybe Anthony Marsh (or other conspiracy theorists) can now start up a new theory -- the "Kelin Tape [And Transcript] Is A Fake" theory. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if such a theory sprouted wings. After all, as Vincent Bugliosi has said, conspiracy theorists are "allergic to the truth".
David Von Pein
June 5, 2006
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