JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 608)

WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

Rubbish! There's NO WAY a couple of small bullet fragments from the lead CORE CORE CORE of a bullet can be traced to a particular gun. The CORE of the bullet does not come into contact with the rifling in the barrel of a gun. The part of the bullet that contacts the rifling is the JACKET. .... I'd be embarrassed if I posted something as STUPID as this.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

For a person who loves to spout on and on about the evidence in the JFK case, Walter Cakebread sometimes displays an incredible (and laughable) lack of knowledge about some of the most basic things concerning the case.

Walt seems to think that the two bullet fragments recovered from the front seat area of President Kennedy's limousine (CE567 and CE569) contained ONLY lead, while containing NONE of the copper jacket of the bullet at all.

But such a statement by Walt is just blatant ignorance, because as can easily be seen in photographs of the two front-seat fragments [as can be viewed here], ample copper is plainly visible. And, in fact, CE569 contains nothing BUT a portion of the copper jacket of the bullet that was fired by Lee Harvey Oswald at Zapruder frame #313 (which was the head shot which killed JFK).

There is none of the lead core to be found in CE569 at all, which, of course, is the reason why CE569 was not subjected to Neutron Activation Analysis by Dr. Vincent P. Guinn in the 1970s for the HSCA.

So, Walt (as always) ends up looking like a donkey's rear-end here. But by this time, we're all accustomed to Walt shooting blanks on a daily basis, such as his "BRENNAN DESCRIBED..." comedy routine, which can now be found in my "Assorted Assassination Arguments" series (in Part 575).

And it's hard to beat Part 575 for a good healthy belly laugh at the (deserved) expense of a conspiracy-happy idiot by the name of Walter Cakebread.


WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

Whatta foolish liar you are, Von Pea Brain. Bullets that are recovered from a victim or a crime scene can often be traced to the gun that fired them by microscopic viewing of the recovered bullet. (If the bullet hasn't struck a hard material like bone or steel or concrete.)

The rifling in the barrel of a gun will often leave the "finger print" of the rifling on the JACKET of the bullet. The lead CORE is surrounded by the jacket and the core never comes in contact with the rifling.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Typical of an outer-fringe conspiracy theorist, after having just been proved wrong about his previous "lead core" argument (i.e., after I proved that CE567/569 didn't contain JUST the lead core of the bullet material), Walt continues to act as if the two front-seat fragments still consisted of nothing but the lead core. Incredible.





WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

If a bullet is shattered into small pieces it is IMPOSSIBLE to trace those small fragments to any particular gun. Anybody who would make the claim that the small fragments found in the Lincoln could be traced to ANY PARTICULAR gun is a damned fool liar!


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Several firearms identification experts for both the Warren Commission and the House Select Committee on Assassinations came to the conclusion that the two front-seat bullet fragments could BOTH be traced conclusively to Lee Harvey Oswald's Carcano Rifle #C2766.

But, I guess we should all just toss in the trash all of the following official testimony provided by experts in the field of firearms identification, because Walt Cakebread apparently knows a lot more about these things than ANY of these firearms experts. Right, Walter? These guys were all liars, eh? .....

JOHN J. McCLOY - And you would say the same thing of Commission Exhibit 399, the bullet 399 was fired from that rifle?

ROBERT A. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

Mr. McCLOY - And the fragment 567---

Mr. FRAZIER - 567, the one we have just finished.

Mr. McCLOY - Was likewise a portion of a bullet fired from that rifle?

Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

Mr. McCLOY - You have no doubt about any of those?

Mr. FRAZIER - None whatsoever.

[...]

MELVIN EISENBERG - Mr. Frazier, did you examine this bullet fragment with a view to determining whether it had been fired from the rifle, Exhibit 139?

Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

Mr. EISENBERG - What was your conclusion?

Mr. FRAZIER - This bullet fragment, Exhibit 569, was fired from this particular rifle, 139.

Mr. EISENBERG - Again to the exclusion of all other rifles?

Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

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JOSEPH D. NICOL. Yes. It is my opinion that the same weapon that fired Commission's Exhibit 572 also fired the projectiles in Commission's Exhibits 569, 567, and 399.

Mr. EISENBERG. That would be to the exclusion of all other weapons?

Mr. NICOL. Correct.

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I, Charles L. Killion, Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, do hereby state that I have reviewed the testimonies of Robert A. Frazier on March 31 and May 13, 1964, and testimonies of Cortlandt Cunningham on March 11 and April 1, 1964, before the President's Commission on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and I agree with the conclusions stated therein.

I do hereby state that I conducted independent examinations of the items which were the subject of Mr. Cunningham's and Mr. Frazier's testimonies and that on the basis of these independent examinations, I reached the same conclusions reached by Mr. Frazier and Mr. Cunningham.

/s/ Charles L. Killion

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JAMES McDONALD. And you took the fragment, is it labeled CE-567, and microscopically compared it with the test-fired bullet from the FBI that was fired out of 139?

ANDREW M. NEWQUIST. That is correct.

Mr. McDONALD. And what was the result of your examination?

Mr. NEWQUIST. From mine and the panel's comparison, of these two exhibits, it is our opinion, they had been fired from the same firearm.

Mr. McDONALD. In other words, CE-567, which was the bullet fragment found on the front seat of the Presidential limousine, it is your conclusion through your analysis that it was fired from CE-139, which is before us this morning?

Mr. NEWQUIST. That is correct.

Mr. McDONALD. What did you do regarding CE-569?

Mr. NEWQUIST. The same being true for CE-569, it was placed on a microscope and compared with the FBI test bullets fired from the Oswald rifle to observe the similarity or dissimilarity, the result or a photographic representation of the identification is in the upper photograph. CE-569 on the left side of the line of demarcation, the FBI test, CE-572 is on the right side showing the concurrence of the individual characteristics as seen on the comparison microscope.

Mr. McDONALD. And the conclusion is that they were both fired from the same weapon?

Mr. NEWQUIST. That is correct.


WARREN COMMISSION TESTIMONY OF ROBERT A. FRAZIER

WARREN COMMISSION TESTIMONY OF JOSEPH D. NICOL

HSCA TESTIMONY OF ANDREW M. NEWQUIST


David Von Pein
February 3, 2014

JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 818)

WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

As I told you before you jumped in and made an ass out of yourself -- go get a piece of tubing at the hardware store and try to deposit an identifiable palm print on that tube. I guarantee you that it is impossible to deposit an identifiable print on a 5/8-inch metal tube. Even as I type this I know that you won't perform this simple experiment because you're an egotistical snobby son-of-a-bitch who doesn't have the brains or the guts to face reality.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Walt apparently thinks the cops were both brilliant patsy-framers and incompetent boobs AT THE SAME TIME, because Walt thinks the cops were so stupid that they would attempt to fool the public by claiming that CE637 (Oswald's palmprint) was lifted from a portion of a rifle on which it would be physically impossible to leave even the tiniest identifiable part of a human palmprint.

But ol' Carl Day didn't fool good ol' Walt Cakebread, did he? Walt sees through the "palmprint on the rifle barrel" nonsense like a lace curtain, don't you Walt?

Interestingly enough, however, Walt is the first person EVER (that I'm aware of) who has suggested that a palmprint could not possibly adhere to the portion of the rifle barrel where Lt. Day said he extracted the print from.

I guess somebody better tell Oliver Stone to re-film the fantasy scene in his 1991 movie that has some evil conspirators pressing a rifle barrel to the palm of a dead Lee Harvey Oswald in the morgue. Stone must not have talked to Walter Cakebread before he filmed that scene, huh? Because Oliver seems to think a PALMPRINT (albeit a planted one) was placed on the barrel of Oswald's Carcano rifle.

Now the only thing that's probably troubling Walt is this logical question:

If the cops were going to plant Oswald's prints on the rifle, why would they want to plant a PALMPRINT on a place on the rifle where a PALMPRINT could not possibly fit? Why not plant another FINGERPRINT (like the ones they planted on the triggerguard and on the top of the brown paper bag)?

In summary:

The reality that Walt will never face is the fact that Oswald's prints were on the barrel and the triggerguard of Rifle C2766, verifying that Walt's favorite "patsy" had his fingers right next to the trigger of his own rifle on November 22, 1963.*

* The date is verified by the fact that Oswald's rifle WAS fired that day (11/22/63) from the Book Depository. Or would Walt now like to offer up this oddball scenario?:

The person who fired Oswald's rifle on Nov. 22 could have easily avoided leaving any prints on the triggerguard, thereby leaving Oswald's prints intact on the trigger housing from a previous time when Oswald handled the weapon.

Of course, I also realize that Walt thinks that Vincent Scalice is full of shit when Scalice determined in 1993 that the triggerguard prints were positively the prints of Lee Harvey Oswald, even though just plain old garden-variety logic would dictate that the odds of ANY prints found on that gun AT ANY TIME being ANYONE ELSE'S other than the OWNER OF THAT GUN are probably pretty slim.

And we must always keep in mind that Walt Cakebread is the same mega-kook who thinks that JFK was shot in the throat from the front at approximately Zapruder frame 161, with that bullet exiting Kennedy's upper back. Walt knows this to be a fact because Walt can see a piece of JFK's white shirt flying out of the bullet's exit hole on Kennedy's back in the Robert Croft photograph, which is yet another photo that Walter thinks has been "altered".

In addition, let's not forget that Walt is also the same kook who thinks that Howard Brennan was "DESCRIBING" a shooter on the WEST end of the Book Depository, even though Brennan's Warren Commission testimony couldn't be any clearer as to the ONE AND ONLY EAST-END window from where he saw the gunman shooting.

And yet, incredibly, I am the one who needs to have my "bullshit" shoved down my "lying throat".

There should be a separate insane asylum in this world reserved for "JFK CONSPIRACY CLOWNS". If there were, Walt would be admitted immediately--no questions asked.

David Von Pein
January 1, 2010

JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 853)

WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

So please explain how your warped reasoning arrives at the conclusion that these two blank order blanks are in any way incriminating of Lee Oswald?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

The answer should be blatantly obvious even to most CTers.....

1.) Many (most) Internet CTers do not believe Oswald purchased any rifle at all from Klein's Sporting Goods.

2.) Therefore, via such a cockeyed belief, those CTers should find it at least a tad bit unusual for Mr. Oswald to have had any blank order forms from Klein's Sporting Goods Company among his possessions on 11/23/63.

When examined by a reasonable person (which automatically eliminates Walter Cakebread from contention), those two blank Klein's forms being found in Ruth Paine's garage provide additional (albeit peripheral) circumstantial evidence linking Lee Oswald to the mail-order company in Chicago that mailed Oswald/(Hidell) the weapon that would ultimately be used in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 to assassinate America's 35th Chief Executive.

Get the basic connection now, Walter?


WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

I asked you to explain what USE Lee would have for order blanks SIX MONTHS after he had already ordered a rifle??

Is this question too difficult for you??


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Well, Walt, it would seem as though Oswald might have been considering ordering something else from Klein's in the future.

But since you don't think the blank Klein's order forms help to incriminate Oswald in even the slightest peripheral way, then I assume, therefore, that you DO concede that those two blank forms found in Ruth's garage were NOT "planted" there by anybody. Correct?

Because if they WERE planted, then it was, according to you, a futile and useless planting effort by the "Let's Frame Oswald" conspiracy team. Right?


WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

Don't be so presumptive. I absolutely do believe the cops planted those two order blanks.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

What for?

You've said you think those order forms do NOTHING to make Oswald look guiltier. So why did somebody want to plant them? Just for the fun of breaking into Ruth Paine's garage?


WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

Mr Von Pea Brain,

Isn't it true that Lee packed his bags in September? And doesn't September come five months after April? And isn't there an April photo that shows Lee with a Mannlicher Carcano?

Why would Lee want any order blanks AFTER he ordered the merchandise?? Did he pack his bags in September when Marina left New Orleans??


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

I see that Walt has overdosed on his Thick Pills today.

Of course Oswald's bags were packed long after he bought the rifle, Walt. Everybody knows this. Duh.

But--SO WHAT?

Oswald obviously kept a couple of extra Klein's ordering coupons for possible future use.

Is that so impossible to believe in your CT world, Walter?


JOHNNY HARTLEY SAID:

Obviously.

Having shot at Walker, it is only natural that he would keep avoidable evidence that would link him directly to the place where he had bought the gun.

It is not like a guy capable of carrying this out would have thought of using a reliable, untraceable second hand or stolen gun, instead of an unreliable, traceable gun, is it?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Well, Johnny, we know he kept the GUN ITSELF after the Walker shooting. Only fringe CTers believe otherwise. So his keeping a couple of Klein's ads isn't too brazen considering the fact he hung onto the rifle itself too.


MARTIN WEIDMANN SAID:

Are those two blank order forms mentioned on the DPD lists of items recovered during the searches of Ruth Paine's house?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

The two Klein's forms are mentioned in the 12/2/63 DPD report here.

The Klein's ads are also mentioned in this FD-302 report filed by FBI agents Bookhout and Carlson on 12/2/63, with the agents clearly indicating that the two Klein's ads were found in Ruth Paine's house on November 23rd.

And Detective Richard Stovall testified to having found the two Klein's ads "in the same box with the photographs".


MARTIN WEIDMANN SAID:

Thanks for that, David, but it's not really the answer to my question.

Back to my original question....

Around noon on Saturday 11/23/63 a search warrant is issued for a search of Ruth Paine's house. When the officers return they are required to fill out a report detailing the result of the search and an inventory of all recovered items has to be made. We know such a list exists...... but (and this was my question) are the Klein's order forms mentioned in that list?

My second question, based upon the information you have provided, would now be: Are we really to believe and accept that these three officers found those Klein's order forms and some other items during a search on 11/23/63 but waited 9 days before they handed them to the DPD property clerk on 12/02/63?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

I don't have the slightest idea whether the 2 Klein's ads are listed in an inventory from Nov. 23.

I looked at the Dallas Municipal Archives site and I couldn't find a Nov. 23 list with the Klein's ads.

But I provided multiple links verifying where and when the Klein's clippings were found. If you want to disregard that evidence because it comes from Dec. 3 reports instead of Nov. 23, go ahead and disregard it. But I'm not going to.

Being found in a "box" as the Klein's ads were, it's possible that those two ads were included in a reference to one of the various boxes that were found, which didn't include a detailed itemizing of each item in the box.

E.G., there's a reference in this document to "1 Black and grey metal box...letters, etc."

I'm just guessing here, yes, but the box containing the Klein's ads might have been mentioned in some of those DPD inventory lists, without making mention of every last scrap of paper contained therein. And then, later, the ads were singled out for attention in early December (when the significance of "Klein's" became more widely known among the police officers).


WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

The dept 472 indicated that the order blank came from the NOVEMBER 1963 issue of Guns and Ammo magazine.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

I see no "Dept 472" shown in either Klein's ad in question. I see "Dept 425" in the top order blank; and "Dept 222" in the bottom one. Where's the "472"? ....





WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

Oh that's right.....The department number 472 (Nov 63 issue of Guns & Ammo) was on the order blank that the DPD used when they said it was the ad that Lee had used to order the rifle. DPD Chief Jesse Curry published it on page 99 of his book, JFK Assassination File.

I'll check my files and tell you what magazines the department numbers 425 and 222 came from. The Feb 1963 issue of American Rifleman used the dept #358. Dept #425 came from the June issue of American Rifleman.

Kinda strange.....Lee didn't subscribe to any gun magazines, and he wasn't a member of the NRA. So where would he get these order blanks?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Possibly Adrian Alba's garage. Oswald would go in there and shoot the breeze with Alba and talk about guns. I'd bet that Alba supplied Lee with some magazines from time to time too.

Or: Oswald could have just simply bought some magazines at any store that sold them.

I guess that possibility isn't on Walt's radar, though. If it isn't sinister in nature, Walt ignores it.


MARTIN WEIDMANN SAID:

Btw...the significance of "Klein's" involvement was already clear on Saturday 11/23/63 when it was already reported (in amazingly great detail I might add) by WBKB TV in Chicago, as you yourself have shown in the clip [you] provided.

Amazing how quickly they got hold of all that information...... they know not only the make and number of the rifle, but also the Hidell alias and Oswald's ownership of the P.O. box in Dallas..... go figure!

What happened? Did the FBI hand out press releases every hour to provide the latest results of their investigation?




DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

No, but the DPD's Jesse Curry was on TV constantly on 11/23/63 giving out all kinds of information and details, including most of the details about "the order letter" (as Police Chief Curry referred to it; see video below) that was sent by Oswald to Klein's to purchase the rifle.

Curry, however, didn't mention the name "Klein's" in his many 11/23/63 hallway news conferences, but he did say the rifle had been bought from a "mail-order house in Chicago". Curry also reveals the "Hidell" alias that Oswald used and also tells the press that the rifle had, indeed, been mailed to a P.O. Box that was owned by "our suspect, Oswald".

The "Klein's" part of it might have been mentioned by other radio and TV outlets that day, however. Hence, the people at WBKB-TV in Chicago had plenty to work with by early evening on November 23rd as they tried to track down still more details pertaining to the rifle that was purchased from a company in their city.




MARTIN WEIDMANN SAID:

Thanks for that, David....

Kinda destroys your earlier claim, doesn't it? ....

Quote from David Von Pein:

"I'm just guessing here, yes, but the box containing the Klein's ads might have been mentioned in some of those DPD inventory lists, without making mention of every last scrap of paper contained therein. And then, later, the ads were singled out for attention in early December (when the significance of "Klein's" became more widely known among the police officers)."


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Point taken, Martin.

But sometimes even police officers and FBI men are in the dark about some things until much later. Take the FBI's 12/9/63 report, for instance. They just totally ignored the autopsy report for the most part. Which could indicate that the FBI men hadn't even read the autopsy report as of December 9th.

And then there's the FBI head man, J. Edgar Hoover himself, who was apparently completely out of the loop on many important aspects of the case as late as November 29th when he talked to LBJ.

So, things do slip through the cracks.


MARTIN WEIDMANN SAID:

Oh, I agree that where people work mistakes are made and the flow of information could often be better.

But if we get back to basics..... Stovall, Adamcik and Rose obtained a search warrant for Ruth Paine's house. They search the place (and miss for instance the BY [Backyard Photos] camera) and then take everything they found back to the station, where they turn over the items found to the property clerk and an inventory list is made.

Two days later, when - as we have seen earlier - the name Klein's had already been widely reported by the media, Rose writes two supplement offense reports; one about the blanket that allegedly had contained the rifle and the other about finding several papers and documents including two BY photos......but somehow there is still no mention of the Klein's coupons.

That only comes 9 days after the search..... Now, ask yourself this; if the Klein's coupons had been in the metal boxes found at Ruth Paine's house and mentioned on the inventory list (which means they were already turned over to the property clerk) why [would] there have been any need to hand the coupons over to the property clerk again?

We know it happened, right? The coupons were handed in nine days later, but why did that happen, when they simply could have said they were part of the content of the metal boxes and thus already in evidence storage from day one?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Yes, I see what you're saying, Martin. And I have no specific answer to explain the delay in reporting the two Klein's ads. But let's look at this from another perspective and ask an important question.....

Why would the Dallas Police Department have wanted to suddenly plant a couple of blank Klein's Sporting Goods order forms among Lee Harvey Oswald's belongings several days after Oswald had been murdered?

Seems to me that any "planting" of evidence by the cops would have been performed while Oswald was still alive and breathing--i.e., at a time when the police doing the alleged planting would have had every reason to think Oswald would be going to trial for President Kennedy's murder.

What possible purpose would be served by planting the two Klein's ads on December 2nd? What did the DPD gain by planting the Klein's clippings eight days after the person they were allegedly attempting to frame was killed? They certainly weren't going to be able to use the Klein's ads at Oswald's trial, because he's already graveyard dead.

Was the DPD just trying to help out the Warren Commission by adding two needless Klein's coupons to the evidence pile?

That type of thinking doesn't make sense to me....at all.

David Von Pein
November 28-29, 2014

JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 1346)

WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

[Dallas Homicide Captain J. Will] Fritz knew that Lee [Oswald] had taken a bus to the theater...


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Tell me Walt --- Why have you decided (on your own) to just invent a bus trip to the Texas Theater for Lee Oswald on 11/22/63?

No such bus trip occurred and you know it. And there's not a speck of evidence to support such a bus trip "to the theater" either.

So why do you now want to pretend such a bus trip occurred on Nov. 22nd?


WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

Perhaps you need to study the information a bit with your head extracted. There most certainly is evidence that Lee rode in a bus to the Theater. I've already posted it, so just extract your head and look.

[...]

Pretend?? Have someone who can understand the written word read Thomas Kelley's report to you. On Page 626 [of the Warren Report, here], Secret Service inspector Wrote: "In response to questions put to him by Captain Fritz, Oswald said that immediately after having left the building where he worked he WENT BY BUS to the theater where he was arrested."

And yes, I'm aware that Lee a few minutes later corrected that statement by saying that the portion of the trip from downtown Dallas to the rooming house was by taxi. But he did NOT change the portion of the trip from the rooming house to the theater. He rode the bus to the theater where he was arrested. That's what Lee Oswald told Captain Fritz.

[...]

Lee told Fritz that he had traveled to the theater BY BUS. Fritz saw no need to challenge that statement because he was unaware that Tippit had NOT been shot at the theater. Fritz didn't care HOW Lee had traveled to the theater, he was only interested in establishing that Lee was at the theater. Of course he knew that the DPD police had dragged Lee from the theater, so there was no real need to belabor that point. He simply wanted the suspect to admit that he was at the theater.


WALT CAKEBREAD ALSO SAID:

I sincerely wish that some LNer like yourself [DVP] would engage in a serious discussion on this topic.

The discovery that the early news reports reported that Tippit had been shot while attempting to apprehend Lee Harvey Oswald at the theater has been a golden nugget of information.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

But it became fairly obvious (early on) that this "golden nugget" was just one of several non-conspiratorial mistakes made by the news media on 11/22---similar in nature to other "golden nuggets" of erroneous info reported on radio and television that day. Such as: The "Secret Service agent has been shot and killed" nugget. And the "Lyndon Johnson had a heart attack and/or was also hit by an assassin's bullet" golden nugget(s). And then there's the "Oswald has confessed to killing the President and the police officer" nugget, which turned out to be nothing but erroneous (and hilarious) hot air that was being reported as absolute fact by at least two of Dallas' radio stations on November 22 (KBOX and KLIF).

All of those things were obviously wrong. But they made it to the media airwaves anyway. And those errors don't involve anything "conspiratorial". They were simply mistakes that were corrected later in the day.


WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

There is no doubt in my mind that Captain Fritz assumed that Tippit had been shot by Lee Oswald at the Texas Theater. The reporters were receiving their information at police headquarters and Fritz or one of his associates had probably told the reporters that Oswald had shot Tippit at the theater.

If Fritz believed that Oswald had shot Tippit at the theater, as I believe, then many of the questions like the title of this thread are answered.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Regardless of how the media received the early erroneous report that J.D. Tippit had been shot at the theater, the evidence that Captain Fritz had available to him——e.g., the multiple witnesses who positively identified Oswald as Tippit's killer, plus the bullet shell casings found on 10th Street that matched the gun that Oswald had on him when he was arrested——would certainly be enough to demonstrate to Fritz that Oswald was, in fact, the murderer of Officer Tippit.

And as for that last item of evidence I just mentioned above---I've talked about this obvious (but often overlooked) fact so many times in the past, I decided to memorialize it in a digital image....




WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

This utterly ridiculous statement is the product of a warped brain. The author bases his statement on his imagination.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Quite the contrary, Mr. Cakebread. The "warped brain" is possessed by the conspiracy theorists who are constantly bending over backwards in order to pretend that virtually all of the evidence that hangs Mr. Oswald is tainted or fraudulent---without a bit of proof to show that any of it was actually faked. A CTer's suspicions about the evidence is more than enough "proof" for them.

In reality, of course, my 2013 statement concerning Oswald and the Tippit murder is a perfectly accurate quote given the sum total of the evidence as it exists in the Tippit case.

Regarding some of the physical evidence in the Tippit case....

There's absolutely nothing "tainted" or "suspicious" when it comes to the two bullet shells found by Barbara and Virginia Davis in their side yard on 11/22/63. There's a clear and distinct chain of possession for each of those shell casings—going from each Davis girl straight into the hands of two different Dallas Police Department officers.

Oh, yes, I expect Walter Cakebread to storm back into this discussion very shortly and argue that he knows for a fact that the DPD markings that exist on the two bullet shells found by the Davis girls—those being the markings put there by Detective C.N. Dhority and Crime Lab Captain George M. Doughty (one bullet shell each)—are in some fashion fraudulent, manufactured, or fake, and therefore should be discarded as "real" evidence in the J.D. Tippit murder investigation. But a conspiracy theorist's suspicions about those two shells do not add up to anything even remotely resembling "proof" that the shells are not legitimate evidence.

And I suppose that Walt will also argue that the following two excerpts from the FBI report found on pages 414 and 415 of Warren Commission Volume 24 are nothing but lies as well:

"On June 12, 1964, four .38 Special cartridge cases...were shown to Captain G.M. Doughty of the Dallas Police Department. .... Captain Doughty identified his marking on one of these cases. .... Captain Doughty stated this is the same shell which he obtained from Barbara Jeanette Davis at Dallas, Texas, on November 22, 1963." -- CE2011; Page 7

"On June 12, 1964, the same four cartridge cases...were shown by Special Agent Bardwell D. Odum to Detective C.N. Dhority, Homicide Division, Dallas Police Department. .... Detective Dhority identified his marking on one of these cartridge cases. .... He stated this is the same cartridge case which he obtained from Virginia Davis, Dallas, Texas, on November 22, 1963." -- CE2011; Page 8

(Also see Pages 266-269 of Dale Myers' book "With Malice"; 1998 Edition.)


OTTO BECK SAID:

You can beat Walt to it and tell us what mark Dhority put on the shell.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Don't know. The markings on the shell are not clear enough to discern when looking at the series of three pictures of the shell which were photographed by Dale Myers and published on page 268 of "With Malice" (1998 Edition).

But the markings were discernible to Dhority himself in June of '64 when he positively IDed the shell as the one he marked on 11/22/63....

"Detective Dhority identified his marking on one of these cartridge cases. .... He stated this is the same cartridge case which he obtained from Virginia Davis...on November 22, 1963." -- CD1258, p.8 and CE2011, p.8 [http://maryferrell.org/Doc=11653]


OTTO BECK SAID:

...nobody else has since "discerned" those markings [on the bullet shell handled by C.N. Dhority].


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

The reason for that could be because Dhority might not have marked the bullet shell with his INITIALS. He might have used some other distinct marking which Dhority could easily identify if he ever had to I.D. the shell again.

But regardless of the type of mark Dhority used, he did identify HIS DISTINCT MARK on the shell in June of 1964. Spit on his identification if you like, but Dhority identified his marking on the shell casing nonetheless. And the CTers who like to complain about it aren't going to change that basic fact.


OTTO BECK SAID:

Barnes, on April 7, 1964, identified the same shell, so how is your "clear and distinct chain of possession" going from the Davis girl supposed to work?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Doesn't make any difference what Barnes did. The only part of the "chain" that really matters is the FIRST LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER who took control of the bullet shell. And that person was C.N. Dhority, who got it from the civilian witness (Virginia Davis) who found it in her side yard.

It went straight from Davis to Dhority. And then Dhority marked it. It therefore makes no difference WHO ELSE might have handled the bullet shell AFTER Dhority, because Dhority will now ALWAYS be able to say "That's the exact shell I got from Virginia Davis", because he can see his mark on the shell.

The very same "chain of custody" argument can be made when discussing Oswald's C2766 Carcano rifle. Carl Day was the first law enforcement official to handle the rifle, and he etched his name into the stock of the weapon. So it doesn't make a bit of difference who else handled the weapon after Lt. Day handled it. It's always going to have the name "Day" scratched into the wooden stock, thereby confirming forever and always the fact that it was that exact rifle that was picked up off the sixth floor of the Book Depository Building by Lieutenant J.C. Day of the DPD on 11/22/63.

The same thing should have happened with Bullet CE399, but unfortunately it did not. The first person connected officially with "law enforcement" to handle that bullet at Parkland Hospital was Secret Service Agent Richard Johnsen, and he should have marked the physical bullet itself before it ever left his sight on 11/22/63. But he didn't. He utilized a typewritten note instead, which he then stapled to an envelope which contained the actual bullet.

And since Johnsen didn't etch his marking into the physical bullet itself, it opened the door for the conspiracy theorists to do just exactly what they have done for the last 50+ years---they get to claim that the weak chain of custody for CE399 must certainly indicate that somebody in officialdom did something of an underhanded nature with the bullet that was found on a stretcher at Parkland.

Many CTers would still no doubt be crying foul about CE399 even if Richard Johnsen had marked the bullet, but the lack of an "RJ" on that piece of metal has made the screams of "It Was Planted" by the conspiracists an easier argument to make (although it's still far from being a proven claim of fakery).

It would probably be better for conspiracists if they would start theorizing that civilian witnesses Virginia Davis and Barbara Davis "switched" the bullet shells to frame Oswald before police officers Doughty or Dhority came to the Davis apartment to collect shells #3 and #4. Because the CTers don't have a leg (or a shell) to stand on by continuing to pretend there's something fishy about the "chain of possession" when it comes to the marking of those two shells by members of the Dallas Police Department.

You never can tell---perhaps the two young Davis gals had a couple of spare cartridge casings from Smith & Wesson Revolver #V510210 under their beds on November 22nd.

After all, I learned many years ago that in a JFK conspiracy theorist's world, virtually anything truly is possible.

David Von Pein
September 24-27, 2021

JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 823)

WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

I have NOT said that Oswald couldn't have hid the rifle where it was found. I HAVE said that Oswald COULD NOT have hidden the rifle in the manner it was hidden AFTER the shooting.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Walt, as always, fails to apply even the smallest granule of common sense to his thinking.

The Facts:

#1.) The rifle that was found by Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone on the sixth floor of the TSBD at 1:22 PM CST on 11/22/63 was unquestionably the VERY SAME RIFLE that was used to fire three bullets out of the Sniper's Nest window on 11/22/63 (the bullet shells underneath the window and the bullet fragments found INSIDE THE PRESIDENT'S LIMOUSINE [CE567 and CE569] prove this #1 fact).

#2.) Since #1 above has been proven BEYOND ALL POSSIBLE DOUBT, then we know for certain that SOMEBODY (whether it was Lee Harvey Oswald or not) must have been able to physically place the rifle--AFTER the shooting--in the place where it was ultimately found by Deputy Boone.

#3.) The totality of evidence (laid out HERE) indicates that Lee Harvey Oswald killed both President Kennedy and Police Officer J.D. Tippit.

But instead of accepting the Occam's-like truth that exists within the above three points, kooks like Walt will attempt to dance between the raindrops and invent all sorts of silly scenarios that have no basis in fact whatsoever.

As Bud said, Walt's opinions are meaningless (particularly when weighed against the three things I pointed out above).


WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

NONSENSE!!

Baker and Truly arrived on the sixth floor only a couple of minutes after the shooting. The rifle was hidden beneath boxes of books right at the top of the stairwell and they would have seen anybody who was there hiding the rifle. They saw NOBODY. There wasn't enough time for ANYBODY to hide that rifle beneath those boxes AFTER the shooting.


BUD SAID:

Walt wants to present this as some sort of insurmountable obstacle so he can pretend other people are responsible for Oswald's crimes.

Here is what Deputy Faulkner said on the day of murder in his report...

"It was apparent that the assassin had run from the window after the shots were fired, had hidden the rifle and ran down the stairway."

What was apparent to people at the scene of the crime at the time eludes Walt decades later.

Walt...prefers to write his own reality. There are spaces between what is in evidence, and retards will always try to cram the fantastic into these spaces. Given a sentence with missing words like...

The [blank] went to the [blank] to get some [blank].

... a normal person might fill in the blanks with "The "man" went to the "store" to get some "milk".

A retard like Walt will compose "The "dragon" went to the "moon" to get some "plutonium". And then swear his sentence makes more sense than any other, and that there is something wrong with anyone who can't see this.


WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

Are you so stupid and bold as to lie that ALL of the people who saw JFK saw NO large wound on the front of his head? They were virtually unanimous in placing the large hole in the BACK of JFK's head....and the autopsy photos show NO damage to the front of JFK's head.


BUD SAID:

Are you so stupid as to be unaware that there is a film showing him being shot, and that it shows no blowout to the back of his head?

Suddenly you have no faith in what your eyes see, Walt?


WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

Obviously you don't understand how simple it was to trick the gullible Oswald, who thought of himself as James Bond.

The conspirators gave him a role to play in a staged event, while they were playing in a far different game.

Ol James Bond Oswald thought that he was playing the same role he'd played at General Walker's nine months earlier [sic].

At Walker's, he had hid the rifle beneath some brush near Walker's house, then they fired a bullet through Walker's window. They then called the police and pretended that someone had tried to kill Walker. (Walker told reporters that night that it was Kennedy's fault that these communists are running loose. Why did he immediately accuse Kennedy and "communists"? How did he know that a "communist" had fired the shot???)

Oswald thought he was playing the same game. He had no clue that his FBI handler (one of Hoover's "Extra Special" special agents) was orchestrating a far different plot. A plot that would use Oswald as the patsy who had left evidence in his place of employment that incriminated him in the assassination of the president.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Walt = Kook. Beyond ALL doubt.

He'll deny the evidence for as long as it exists--which is forever.

David Von Pein
January 4-5, 2010

JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 1225)

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

A key point to be made regarding Lee Harvey Oswald's involvement in the J.D. Tippit murder is this:

If Lee Oswald couldn't possibly have even been at Tenth and Patton in time to shoot Officer Tippit (as many conspiracy theorists believe), then how in the world do those same CTers explain the observations of Ted Callaway and other witnesses near the scene of Tippit's murder who positively identified Oswald as the man they saw on Patton Avenue or Jefferson Boulevard right after Tippit was shot?

Surely the CTers don't think ALL of those witnesses were lying, do they? And, in particular, Ted Callaway, who got a good look at Oswald, who was right across the street from where Callaway observed him on November 22.

It seems to me that the conspiracy clowns who think Oswald could not have possibly been at the scene of the crime have a tough time backing up such a claim when witnesses like Callaway and Searcy and Patterson and Guinyard exist in the official record.

And surely the CTers aren't going to use this silly argument:

Well, yes, Dave, Callaway saw Oswald--but Callaway only saw him AFTER the shooting. He didn't actually see Oswald SHOOT Tippit.

The above argument is just crazy, if that same CTer is ALSO of the opinion that Oswald couldn't possibly have made it to 10th & Patton in time to shoot Tippit.

And it's crazy because those two things (the shooting itself and Callaway seeing Oswald up near the corner of 10th & Patton) occurred within literally SECONDS of each other.

Do CTers really think that Oswald didn't have nearly enough time to actually pull the trigger on Tippit, but he DID have ample time to be seen by Callaway, Guinyard, Patterson, et al, just a few SECONDS later?


CALLAWAY IN 1964:



CALLAWAY IN 1986:



MILES SCULL SAID:

Are you serious? Or are you just generating nonsense propaganda?

Assuming you are serious, then the question becomes: are you unaware of the fact that Oswald was impersonated many times?

If Oswald could not arrive at the scene in time, then who shot Tippit?

Well, if it wasn't Oswald, and if witnesses thought that it was, then who could it have been?

That's right!

You guessed it.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Miles ignores the fact that the gun Oswald had on him in the theater WAS THE TIPPIT MURDER WEAPON.

Miles, naturally, thinks that gun is a "plant" too.

The hilarity of you clowns never stops, does it?


MILES SCULL SAID:

That Lee's gun was the gun that killed Tippit is in dispute.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Only by conspiracy mongers like you.

Even if we throw away the two Poe shells, Oswald's gun is still tied to Tippit's murder via the other 2 shells which WERE marked by Dhority and Doughty.

You think those 2 shells are fakes too, Miles?


WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

Ted Calloway [sic] was a blowhard used car salesman who wanted to get the limelight shining on himself.

He COULD NOT have identified Lee Oswald as the man he saw running on the sidewalk on the east side of Patton. Callaway didn't know Oswald, so he couldn't have identified him.

From the eyewitness reports, it seems likely Tippit's killer resembled Oswald, but there's no way Blowhard Callaway could be 100% certain who the stranger was.

If Calloway [sic] could be mistaken about the gun the guy was carrying (He said it was a blue .32 caliber automatic), then he certainly can't be very reliable about what the guy looked like.

The spent shells at the scene and the bullets recovered from Tippit's body prove that the gun was NOT a .32 automatic.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Repeating this gem from Walt:

"Callaway didn't know Oswald, so he couldn't have identified him."

With the above idiotic comment, Walt just won the "Stupidest Post Of The Week" award.

Congrats.

Via Walt's logic, no eyewitness could ever identify anyone that the witness didn't personally know beforehand.

This further illustrates the lengths that morons like Walt will go to in order to pretend Oswald was innocent.


WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

Ol Blowhard Ted Id'ed Oswald AFTER....AFTER....he saw him in custody, and when the police were already saying that Oswald was guilty. That's when ol Blowhard jumped on the bandwagon.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

The kook above apparently thinks that Callaway should have made a positive I.D. of Oswald BEFORE Oswald was arrested.

I wonder how Ted could have done something like that? Perhaps the conspiracy kook can explain it for us.


WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

Duh! What I said was, AFTER the police loudly proclaimed that Oswald was the leader of a communist band and he was the culprit who had murdered the President....THEN ol blowhard Ted Callaway jumped on the bandwagon and said ... "Yes, that's the guy I saw running away from the scene."

The cops never batted an eye, and they didn't remind him that the description he gave just minutes after the shooting did NOT match Oswald. However, they badgered the hell out of Howard Brennan who said that Oswald was NOT the man he [had] seen with a hunting rifle on the sixth floor of the TSBD during the shooting. They wouldn't accept Howard Brennan's statement, but they accepted Ted Callaway with hesitation.


WALT CAKEBREAD LATER SAID:

Hey Von Pea Brain, where have you slithered off to??? You opened this thread, don't you have the guts to continue?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

I accomplished my purpose, Walt-Kook. I was able to get you CT nuts to say more insane things as you pretend LHO was innocent.

And the "Blowhard Callaway" claptrap was the bonus prize in the CT package in this thread. Thanks.

David Von Pein
November 25, 2011
December 12, 2011
December 12-15, 2011

JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 343)

WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

>>> "He [Arnold Rowland] said that he thought the guy was a security guard. He KNEW that Oswald was NOT a security guard..." <<<


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

LOL.

Therefore, per what Walt seems to be implying here -- The ONLY possible way that ANY gunman seen by Rowland in the TSBD could have been legitimately and positively identified by Arnold Rowland is if that gunman turned out to REALLY BE A "SECURITY GUARD", since the man doing the identifying (Arnold Rowland) THOUGHT that the gunman was a security guard at 12:15 PM CST on November 22.

LOL replay.

Let's see Walt's next brainstorm....(as my bladder weakens still more)....


>>> "He [Rowland] was shown pictures of Oswald and he had seen him on TV and yet he said he could NOT identify the "security guard" as Oswald. He described physical features of the security guard that did NOT fit Oswald" <<<

This just keeps getting better and more hilarious all the time.

The kook named Duncan-Hines (aka Cakebread) now seems to believe that Rowland really did see a security guard on the sixth floor. (The kook should have put "security guard" in quotes that second time up above too.)

Maybe Rowland's merely THINKING (incorrectly, of course) that the man with the gun (Oswald, of course) was a "security guard" has rubbed off on the feeble mind of a kook named Walt. Ya think? It could happen. After all, this kook named Walt actually seems to think Oswald didn't kill J.D. Tippit.


>>> ".... Early thirties, black hair...light colored sport shirt open at the collar with a T shirt beneath the outer shirt." <<<

If that, in fact, was Arnold Rowland's exact description of the sixth-floor gunman (and I haven't got his testimony memorized; I'd have to check it, and I probably should too*, because trusting this kook named Walt to get anything right is like trusting Lee Oswald to tell the truth about his Carcano mail-order purchase), then that description certainly does nothing whatsoever to EXCLUDE Oswald (not even the age estimate, given the fact that other people said the SAME THING about Oswald looking older than he was), you idiot.

And to emphasize this once more, if Rowland said "early 30s"*, then we have on the record just one additional example of the CONSISTENCY with which people described Oswald's age -- e.g., Baker, Brennan, the 10th Street witness responsible for the 1:22 APB concerning Tippit's killer (whoever that was), and now Rowland too*.

But to a kook, consistency like this regarding LHO equates to Oswald's complete innocence. Somehow. (Don't ask me how. Go ask a kook. Walt?)


* Footnote:

I just now checked Rowland's testimony...and yes, he did say "early thirties":

"I think I remember telling my wife that he appeared in his early thirties. This could be obscured because of the distance, I mean." -- 1964 W.C. TESTIMONY OF ARNOLD L. ROWLAND

So, thanks Walt, for providing that quote from Rowland re the age of the sixth-floor gunman....which matches perfectly the testimony of DPD Officer Marrion Baker (who we KNOW saw Oswald just after the shooting) and Howard Brennan and at least one other 11/22 witness.


>>> "Have ya finished messing yer pants now??" <<<

I doubt it very much. Not unless you finally want to stop typing out the hilarious bladder-busting idiocy that you've been typing out tonight.

The more Walt types, the more I hope the bathroom isn't occupied.


>>> "Let's hear you lie." <<<

Okay, I'll do my best.

Here's the biggest lie I'll ever tell (bar none):

Walter Cakebread is a genius! He's the #1 JFK researcher that history has ever seen. He deserves a Nobel Prize for his incredible work in rooting out the truth about the way JFK died in November 1963. (Especially that "Rowland Thought The Gunman Was A Security Guard, Which Evidently Means That The Gunman WAS A Security Guard" gem.)

Coming up with true and believable bombshells like that "Rowland/Security Guard" thing makes us all wonder why Walt wasn't selected to speak at the 2008 Wecht Conference. He should have been the keynote speaker, for Christ's sake!

David Von Pein
October 9, 2008

JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 781)

WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

I'm sure you know that there were NOT twelve witnesses to the [Tippit] shooting...


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

And I never said there were 12 witnesses to the Tippit shooting. Here's what I really said (in case anybody cares):

"Gil J. Jesus, as all conspiracy theorists do, will sound like an absolute nut when he attempts to perform the above-mentioned task (which will include virtually every last piece of evidence connected to Oswald's murder of Officer J.D. Tippit as well, including Gil's pathetic attempt at discrediting ALL TWELVE WITNESSES who positively identified Mr. Oswald as either Tippit's murderer or the one and only person who fled the scene of the Tippit shooting with gun in hand)."
-- DVP; 10/30/09


WALT SAID:

But I'm happy that you exposed yourself as a liar once again.


DVP SAID:

No lie up there in that quote, idiot. Just the complete truth. Maybe you should learn to read.


WALT SAID:

Only TWO people ...."TWO"!!...actually saw the shooting.


DVP SAID:

Wrong. Four people saw it.

Try again.


WALT SAID:

Helen Markham and Domingo Benavides....That's it!!


DVP SAID:

Wrong.

1.) Helen Markham
2.) Domingo Benavides
3.) William Scoggins
4.) Jack Tatum

BTW, conspiracy kooks who don't include Scoggins as a witness who literally "saw" the shooting of J.D. Tippit are complete idiots.


WALT SAID:

You do have the ability to count to two, don't you?


DVP SAID:

Sure. But it seems you cannot count to four. Or twelve.


WALT SAID:

Helen Markham was hysterical and unreliable at the police line up.


DVP SAID:

And yet she picked out your favorite patsy as the person who she saw shoot the policeman, didn't she Mr. Kook?


WALT SAID:

...and Domingo Benavides was NEVER called to view a police line up.


DVP SAID:

And that's logical, since Domingo told the police he probably wouldn't be able to positively identify the shooter.

Next....


WALT SAID:

Benavides was without any doubt the MOST RELIABLE and CREDIBLE person who could have identified Oswald if Oswald had been the killer. He was only 15 feet away from the killer and the killer was facing him when Tippit was shot.


DVP SAID:

It's nice to be able to decide who is "without any doubt the MOST RELIABLE and CREDIBLE person" in any given situation, isn't it Walt? That's one of your self-written "kook rules".


WALT SAID:

There's no doubt that Benevides [sic] KNEW that Oswald was NOT the killer.


DVP SAID:

~chuckle~

How would this be possible, Walter, since everyone with an ounce of sense knows that Oswald WAS J.D. Tippit's killer?


WALT SAID:

Why is it that the one most credible witness to the Tippit murder was never called to view a line up nor asked for a written affidavit???


DVP SAID:

Walt is digging into his "Rule Book For Kooks" again, I see. He gets to decide who the "most credible witness" is regarding Tippit's murder....even though Benavides said this to the Warren Commission:

DOMINGO BENAVIDES -- "Later on that evening, about 4 o'clock, there was two officers came by and asked for me...and told them what I had seen, and they asked me if I could identify him, and I said I don't think I could. .... I wasn't sure that I could or not. I wasn't going to say I could identify and go down and couldn't have."


WALT SAID:

It's obvious to anybody with an IQ greater than a common garden slug that the cops avoided Benavides because he told them that Oswald was NOT the man he'd seen shoot Tippit.


DVP SAID:

Even if Benavides did say that to the police (which he didn't, of course), we still know Oswald was the murderer of J.D. Tippit via other evidence.

But to a nut like Walt, it doesn't make a bit of difference that the Tippit murder weapon was FOUND ON OSWALD just 35 minutes after Tippit was slain.

That type of solid and irrefutable evidence, as always, is considered to be useless garbage in the eyes of an Anybody-But-Oswald joke like Walter Cakebread.

David Von Pein
October 31, 2009

JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 1248)

WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

I just grabbed a couple of items from your BS site and posted them here.....

[Walt quotes DVP:]

1.) Lee Harvey Oswald owned the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository on Friday afternoon, November 22, 1963.

[End quote.]

You have not shown any PROOF of ownership. That claim is a lie.

[Walt again quotes DVP:]

2.) Oswald owned the handgun that was shown to have been used in the murder of Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit.

[End quote.]

This a flat out lie. The bullets that were retrieved from Tippit's body could NOT be traced to that pistol.

[Walt totally ignores the four spent cartridge cases that littered the ground at Tenth Street and Patton Avenue right after Officer Tippit was murdered. And those spent cartridges were manually removed from the Tippit murder weapon by none other than Lee Harvey Oswald himself. Funny how Walt wants to ignore those proven facts, isn't it? Walt will merely pretend the bullet shells were planted there, and he'll also pretend that all the witnesses misidentified the shell-dropper as Lee H. Oswald. How convenient for Walter. But, it's par for the course in the ever-popular "Anybody But Oswald" fantasy world that Walt resides in.]

[Walt again quotes DVP:]

3.) Oswald was positively identified by witness Howard L. Brennan as the person firing a rifle at JFK on 11/22/63. .... And to believe that Brennan was "influenced" by TV and newspaper reports showing Oswald before Brennan positively identified LHO, we must remember that Brennan's INITIAL description of the killer very closely matched Oswald, given to police within minutes of the shooting (prior to 12:44 PM).

[End quote.]

This is another blatant lie! Wow! Blasting these lies is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Howard Brennan gave a sworn written affidavit just an hour after the shooting. In that affidavit Brennan described the man he'd seen with a long barreled rifle as..... Quote..."he was a white man in his early thirties." LHO was in his early twenties. Brennan also said....Quote..."The man weighed about 165 to 175 pounds." LHO weighed 140 pounds. That's a BIG difference. Brennan also said, Quote.... "He had on light colored clothing." LHO was wearing DARK colored clothing. A reddish brown shirt and dark gray trousers.

The closing sentence of Howard Brennan's sworn affidavit says....Quote...."I believe that I could identify this man if I ever saw him again." Brennan saw LHO in a police line up just a couple of hours later and he told the police the man he'd seen with the hunting rifle was NOT in that line up.

Thank you for lying. It makes it so easy to refute your lies with facts.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

I had a feeling [after posting this message] I'd get Walt all keyed up again by displaying some actual facts in the case. And, sure enough, just as certain as snow falling in Minneapolis in January, Walter was eager to jump in with both feet in his mouth (as usual).

How many more decades will Walt insist upon misrepresenting and mangling ALL of the evidence that exists in this case? Is there any statute of limitations on the retarded theories endlessly spouted by conspiracy clowns? It seems as though there isn't.

Walt's tired batch of worthless crackpottery should be a good indication to any newbie to illustrate the absurd lengths to which certain conspiracy nuts will go in order to promote impossible conspiracy theories relating to the death of President Kennedy.

And newbies and veterans alike should also marvel at Walt's consistent ability to use NO common sense and logical thinking skills at all when it comes to every part of the JFK murder case. And we need to also be in awe of his amazing ability to be WRONG about virtually every single thing he says about the way JFK died. (Walt, however, likely inherited his "Always Wrong" gene from his fellow conspiracy kooks who came before him--e.g., Mark Lane, Robert Groden, Jim Marrs, Jim Garrison, Jim Fetzer, Jim DiEugenio, Oliver Stone, et al.)

But no matter how many years pass, and no matter how many more useless posts get dropped into this archive of tumbleweeds here at the acj nuthouse, conspiracy clowns like Walter Cakebread will continue to exhibit their total inability to logically and reasonably evaluate any of the evidence associated with JFK's murder, as they perpetually utter blatant misrepresentations and half-assed theories that have no basis in fact or reality (or common sense) whatsoever.

For example:

Walt's continual bullshit about how there's no proof that Lee Oswald ever owned Carcano Rifle C2766, and no proof Oswald ever owned Revolver V510210, along with Walt's lackluster efforts to completely change and mangle beyond recognition the testimony of Howard L. Brennan (see the links here and here, in which I totally destroy Walt's theory about Brennan).

MORE ABOUT BRENNAN:
http://JFK-Archives.blogspot.com/Howard Brennan
http://JFK-Archives.blogspot.com/Howard Brennan (Part 2)

-------------------------

It's such a shame that the Internet world has to be populated with so many people (like Walter C.) who possess no ability whatsoever for properly assessing evidence in the JFK assassination.

But, like it or not, that's the Internet world we live in right now. It's an Internet world where people are still claiming, in the year 2013, that Oswald was standing in the Depository doorway. And where people are still claiming that Bill Greer shot John Kennedy. And it's a world where one certain kook is still pretending that Howard Brennan's Warren Commission testimony (in some cryptic fashion which can only be deciphered by this one certain kook named Walter) indicates that Brennan saw a gunman on the WEST side of the Book Depository Building on November 22, 1963, instead of where all reasoned-thinking individuals know Brennan saw the sniper--the east end of the TSBD.

It would be so nice if the Internet world were filled with more people like Jean Davison, Bud, Tim Brennan, Dave Reitzes, John McAdams, and others like them who have the capacity for sensibly evaluating the totality of evidence in the JFK case.

It makes me wonder what the world of Internet JFK conspiracy-happy clowns will look like on the 100th anniversary of Kennedy's death in 2063? Will Walt's grandson be active on this forum, linking to 50-year-old archived messages written by his silly grandfather? I wouldn't bet against it.

David Von Pein
January 30-31, 2013

JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 198)

WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

>>> "Actually there is No (none, zero) physical evidence that shows Oswald to be guilty. There are a couple of items of physical evidence that SEEM to be incriminating....but NONE that show him to be guilty." <<<


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

That's because Walt looks at this case through Kook Glasses.

Anybody who has looked at this case thoroughly who can utter the
absurd comment Walt just spewed should start looking into another
murder case...because it's pretty obvious that he's getting noplace
(fast) with his JFK "investigation".


>>> "The ONLY thing that comes to mind as incriminating is his staying in the lunchroom while 99% of the people in the building went outside to see the President pass by. As far as I've been able to determine Oswald was one of two men who claimed he did not see the President pass by and showed no interest in watching the President pass by. (The Altgen's [sic] photo "may" show that Oswald was lying about having no interest in seeing JFK pass by)." <<<

~~LOL uproar~~

Out of all the many items on the huge laundry list of stuff that Walt
could have chosen (such as the bullets, the gun, the shells, the
fingerprints, the paper bag, the fibers, the Thursday trip to Irving,
the Tippit "encounter", the Texas Theater scuffle and attempted murder
of more policemen, etc.)...Walt decides that the ONLY thing that even
remotely points (in any way!) to Lee Oswald's guilt is the fact that
LHO (per Walt's skewed CT version of things, which, of course, is
being based on Oswald's own lies) didn't have any desire to go outside
and see JFK on November 22.

~~Additional LOL uproar required here~~

And then we get a tired, worn-out theory being propped up (at least
partially) by Walt The Idiot -- The Doorway Man crappola once more.
Lovely.

Keep going Walt....you'll probably have Oswald 500 miles from Dealey
Plaza pretty soon. Such is your fantasy-prone mind.


>>> "If Oswald did NOT go to the step to the front door for 30 seconds when JFK passed by and did in fact remain in the lunchroom, then that action is unnatural and somewhat suspictious [sic]." <<<

But the fact that Oswald was SEEN pulling the trigger from the sixth
floor isn't to be considered "suspicious", is it Walt?

Not to mention the later murder that Oz committed on Tenth Street,
which SHOULD make anybody think twice about wanting to exonerate
LHO for JFK's slaying...but to kooks like Walt, THAT murder too must
not have ANY evidence linking Oswald to it at all. Right, Mr. Kook?

And the fact that the sixth floor was literally littered with "OSWALD
WAS HERE FIRING A GUN!" type of evidence isn't to be considered a clue
as to who did it either. Is it, Walter?

Is it any wonder why Walt has been stuck in the mud for decades when
it comes to figuring out who committed these crimes?

BTW, Walt, if Oswald was on the steps at 12:30, what's your
explanation for him going BACK INTO the Depository and up one flight
to the second floor to buy a Coke within 2 minutes of just having
witnessed the President being shot (with Oswald being "Doorway Man"
per this nutsville theory that even Mr. Garrison was still trying to
push as late as 1967, three years after the whole matter was cleared
up by Billy Lovelady's Warren Commission testimony)?

Doesn't it seem a tad odd to want to leave the scene of this murder
(which occurred literally just a few seconds earlier) and go back
inside to get a Coke at that precise moment in time? Or maybe some
CTers now want to invent another theory and say that LHO wasn't
encountered on the second floor by Baker, Truly, and Reid at all on
November 22nd.

Maybe a CTer has purported such a fantasy theory, I'm not sure. But it
sure sounds like something Walt might be able to embrace too. After
all, when you live in a world of fairy tales and never-could-have-
happened "Patsy Plots" all your adult life, it's probably fairly easy
to adjust to pretty much ANY additional hunk of CT tripe that comes
along (like John Armstrong's "multiple Oswalds", for example).


>>> "However the other man, Jack Dougherty, who claimed he didn't see JFK as he passed by was much nearer the sixth floor when Baker and Truly encountered him just seconds after the shooting. Why wasn't Dougherty considered equally suspect?" <<<

Could it possibly be because it wasn't Dougherty's gun and shells
found on the sixth floor?

And it wasn't Dougherty's prints that were all over stuff in the SN
(bag, boxes) where the killer was located.

And it wasn't Dougherty who was SEEN pulling the trigger at 12:30.

It was Oswald who fits into all those above niches....the same "patsy"
whom Walt The Mega-Kook just made this asinine statement about ---
"There is no physical evidence that shows Oswald to be guilty."

Sounds like Walt and Robby [Caprio] have been comparing kook notes.

David Von Pein
April 20, 2008

JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 575)

WALT CAKEBREAD SAID:

He [Howard Brennan] DESCRIBED the location where he saw the gunman aiming the rifle from the window, and he did NOT describe the window on the EAST end of the sixth floor.


DAVID VON PEIN [DVP] SAID:

This is total nonsense, and anyone who reads all of Howard Brennan's testimony would know that the CTer [aka: a conspiracy kook/clown/idiot named Walt] who wrote the above B.S. doesn't have the slightest idea what he's talking about.

Brennan's testimony shows that Brennan saw a man (Lee Harvey Oswald) in only ONE single window in the Texas School Book Depository on 11/22/63 -- and that window was the southeast corner window on the sixth floor.

Any reasonable person who examines all of Brennan's Warren Commission testimony would easily come to the conclusion that Brennan only saw a man in the EAST-end window. And it's also easy to see that nobody was manipulating Brennan's words, nor was David Belin preventing any "West End" references from getting into the WC record.

But, just like almost all other conspiracy kooks who are charter members of the popular "Anybody But Oswald" club, the CTer who wrote the above remarks has no idea how to properly and objectively evaluate physical evidence or witness testimony.


WALT SAID:

Since David Belin did a good job of twisting Brennan's testimony...


DVP SAID:

Nobody is "twisting" Howard Brennan's testimony except a kook named Walt. That's for damn sure.

Let's examine it more closely after having read through ALL of Brennan's WC testimony (which I just now did).

David W. Belin was in NO WAY trying to twist or manipulate Howard Brennan's words during Brennan's WC session. That's obvious when you read the transcript.

For, if Belin HAD been on a mission to "twist" Brennan's account of the shooting (in order to keep any references to a WEST-END shooter from entering the official record), would Belin have said this to Mr. Brennan in such an OPEN-ENDED manner, which allows Brennan to say anything he wants to say with regard to any (supposed) WEST-SIDE assassin?.....

BELIN: "Mr. Brennan, could you please tell the Commission what happened from the time you sat on that retaining wall, what you saw?"

And would Belin have been willing to dangle this hot question in front of Brennan if Belin and the WC had wanted to hush up info about any west-end TSBD killer?.....

BELIN: "Did you see any other people in any other windows that you can recollect?"

And here's yet another question that no idiot would have dared ask Brennan if that person (Mr. Belin) had been wanting to choke off the witness in some way.....

BELIN: "Now, after you saw the man--well, just tell what else you saw during that afternoon."

And below we have still another example of Belin's reckless questioning tactics (if he'd been wanting to keep a bunch of stuff out of the record...because how in the heck did Belin know how Brennan would respond to this question?).....

BELIN: "Would you describe just exactly what you saw when you saw him [the TSBD gunman] this last time?"

Below we have other indications that Howard Brennan was referring to ONLY the southeast TSBD window.....

BRENNAN: "Spoke to Mr. Sorrels, and told him that those were the two colored boys that was on the fifth floor, or on the next floor underneath the man that fired the gun."

[...]

BELIN: "Was the man that you saw in the window firing the rifle the same man that you had seen earlier in the window, you said at least a couple of times, first stepping up and then going back?"

BRENNAN: "Yes, sir."

BELIN: "About how far were you away from that window at the time you saw him, Mr. Brennan?"

BRENNAN: "Well, at that time, I calculated 110 foot at an angle. But closer surveillance I believe it will run close to 122 to 126 feet at an angle."

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Notice the references to "THAT WINDOW" and "THE WINDOW" --- indicating the ONLY window Brennan EVER refers to specifically throughout his entire testimony, which was the southeast window on the sixth floor.

And then there's the "red pencil" demonstration done by Brennan on CE482, which is a photo of the sniper's window, with Brennan marking the approx. angle of the rifle he saw being fired FROM THAT EXACT WINDOW (obviously)!

I guess Walt must think that Brennan marked a simulated rifle angle on CE482 with a red pencil, even though Brennan knew that he was marking the WRONG WINDOW! Right, Walt?.....

BELIN: "Now, I wonder if you would take on Exhibit 482, if you can kind of mark the way the rifle was at the time you saw it. Here is a red pencil. If you could put on Exhibit 482 the direction that you saw the rifle pointing, sir."

BRENNAN: "I would say more at this angle. Maybe not as far out as this."

BELIN: "You have put a line, and I have tried to make a little bit darker line."

BRENNAN: "That is as close as I can get it."

BELIN: "This is on Exhibit 482--as to the angle at which you saw the rifle. And you say perhaps it wasn't out of the window as far as this line goes on Exhibit 482, is that correct?"

BRENNAN: "Right."

GERALD FORD: "That is the angle that you believe the rifle was pointed?"

BRENNAN: "Yes."

ALLEN DULLES: "And that is from the area in the window from which the rifle was pointing?"

BRENNAN: "Right."

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Please note that Brennan doesn't correct anyone on the Commission as to CE482 being the WRONG WINDOW from where Howard had seen any gunman firing a rifle.

And Brennan certainly had every opportunity to make such a correction if one had been required. Obviously, none was required, because Commission Exhibit 482 represented the exact window from which Brennan had seen Oswald firing a weapon at President Kennedy.

And then we have these remarks made by Belin. (Is he lying his ass off here?).....

BELIN: "What is the fact as to whether or not I told you what to say or you yourself just told me what you wanted to tell me?"

BRENNAN: "You did not instruct me what to say at all. I told you in the best words I could to explain exactly my movements and what happened."

GERALD FORD: "And here today you have testified freely on your own?"

BRENNAN: "Right, I have."

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And then we get Allen Dulles asking Brennan the following loaded-full-of-potential-dynamite question (if the WC had wanted to keep some stuff out of the record, that is).....

DULLES: "Anything you would like to add?"

And then we can examine Howard Brennan's 11/22/63 affidavit, where we can also find verbal indications of an EAST-end shooter (not WEST end), when Brennan says this:

BRENNAN: "In the east end of the building and the second row of windows from the top I saw a man in this window. I had seen him before the President's car arrived."

A little later in the same affidavit, we find.....

BRENNAN: "I then saw this man I have described in the window and he was taking aim with a high-powered rifle."

Does Walt want the world to believe that when Brennan said "THE WINDOW" in that last sentence above, Howard was REALLY referring to the west end of the Depository, even though just a few sentences earlier in the same affidavit he said "IN THE EAST END OF THE BUILDING"?



More useful tidbits from Brennan's Warren Commission session (with this being an excellent question being asked by Mr. Belin, btw).....

BELIN: "You said you saw the man with the rifle on the sixth floor, and then you said you saw some Negroes on the fifth floor."

BRENNAN: "Yes."

BELIN: "Did you get as good a look at the Negroes as you got at the man with the rifle?"

BRENNAN: "Yes."

BELIN: "Did you feel that your recollection of the Negroes at that time was as good as the one with the man with the rifle?"

BRENNAN: "Yes--at that time, it was."

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And then there's this regarding the issue of the color of the gunman's clothing.....

BELIN: "Do you remember the specific color of any shirt that the man with the rifle was wearing?"

BRENNAN: "No, other than light, and a khaki color--maybe in khaki. I mean other than light color--not a real white shirt, in other words. If it was a white shirt, it was on the dingy side."

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So, via the above words of Howard Brennan, the gunman could have been wearing "light"-colored clothing...or "khaki"-colored clothing. But there's the word "maybe" in there too. And that initial "no" to Belin's question in the first place.

Plus, since we KNOW that Brennan saw the assassin (Oswald) through a half-opened window on the southeast corner of the TSBD's 6th Floor...and we also know that the windows in the TSBD were fairly dirty on 11/22/63...I'm wondering if (just possibly) the "dirty" status of the TSBD windows might have influenced the "dingy" remark made by Howard Brennan above.


WALT SAID:

Belin cleverly did not provide a photo that showed the entire face of the TSBD as it appeared at 12:30 on 11/22/63. He gave Howard Brennan photos that showed only windows on the upper east side, forcing Brennan to use those photos to depict the events he witnessed.


DVP SAID:

Oh sure. And Brennan, being the box of dumb rocks you must think he was, decided to not say the following --- "Well, Mr. Belin, this photograph doesn't depict the far-west-end window where I saw the assassin shooting...but, what the heck....I'll just pretend the shooter was on the east end."

Right, Mr. Kook?


WALT SAID:

If the truth be known, the gunman was probably planting the spent shells when Brennan saw him.


DVP SAID:

Yeah...and then these boobs decided they'd shoot from the exact OPPOSITE end of the sixth floor from where the shells were "planted", instead of merely using the pre-arranged patsy-creating Sniper's Nest [SN] window.

Yeah, that makes sense .... if you're a Mega-Kook.

Plus -- There are Oswald's fresh prints on those SN boxes too...don't forget. Were those being "planted" too? Or did the plotters just get lucky with those prints?


WALT SAID:

Belin twisted the events that happened BEFORE the shooting to make it look like Brennan was talking about what he saw DURING the shooting.


DVP SAID:

And how was Belin supposed to prevent Brennan from using the words "West End" or "The other end of the building is where I saw him shoot from", etc.?

Belin just got lucky that the word "West" never escaped Brennan's lips when Howard "DESCRIBED" the location within the Book Depository where the rifleman was located, huh?


WALT SAID:

Brennan is saying that the shirt was a light-colored khaki shirt; it could have been dingy white, and perhaps you know that dingy white is a shade of WHITE.


DVP SAID:

But khaki isn't. (Kook.)


WALT SAID:

Early in his testimony, Belin asked Brennan how he was dressed that day, and Brennan said he was dressed in gray KHAKI work clothes. So KHAKI is a type of material to Howard Brennan, not necessarily a color.


DVP SAID:

That must be why Brennan TWICE during his WC testimony utters the specific word "color" immediately after uttering the word "khaki". Right? But it's best if you just ignore those TWO times Brennan says "khaki color".....

BRENNAN (3 H 145): "...More of a khaki color."

BRENNAN (3 H 161): "...And a khaki color."


WALT SAID:

Now you admit the windows were dirty. So how did Brennan see all of the details he DESCRIBED through TWO thicknesses of dirty glass?


DVP SAID:

During the shooting, Brennan no doubt saw Oswald crouching behind the rifle BELOW THE LEVEL OF THE DIRTY WINDOWS, i.e., through the open bottom half of the window, even though Brennan was of the false impression that Oswald was "standing".

But don't forget he ALSO thought the Negroes on the 5th Floor were "standing" as well, which is equally (but consistently) as incorrect.

Now, quite obviously, while watching Oswald aim and fire the last rifle shot, Brennan could have easily seen many of the details regarding Oswald's general appearance.

But evidently to a kook like Walt ALL of the pertinent data concerning Oswald's clothes and appearance HAD to be witnessed through ONLY the CLOSED (upper-half) of the Sniper's Nest window.

Go figure.


WALT SAID:

You're not really this obtuse....are you?!!


DVP SAID:

No, I'm not. But you sure are. Obtuse; kooky; nutty; Oswald-loving; evidence-skewing.

You name it. You're it.


WALT SAID:

We are in total agreement....Brennan was not lying.


DVP SAID:

Yeah. Walt must think that Howard Brennan was merely MISINTERPRETED when he gave his Warren Commission testimony, but not lying.

Brennan circled ONE SINGLE WINDOW on Commission Exhibit No. 477 where he saw a man on the sixth floor. Not TWO windows on the sixth floor. Just one. And that one window was the window in the southeast corner of the building.

Walt thinks that Brennan must have FORGOTTEN about seeing the gunman in the WEST window DURING the shooting, which is THE most important information (of course) given by Brennan during his testimony to the Warren Commission. But Brennan never bothered to say this to Mr. Belin:

"Oh, by the way Mr. Belin, that window I circled in CE477 isn't where I saw the gunman actually shooting from. No, I saw the man firing a gun from this west-end window over here. Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse you."



Brennan saw the man/assassin (later positively IDed by Brennan as Lee Harvey Oswald) in only ONE window on 11/22/63....that's obvious by his testimony and by his WINDOW-CIRCLING actions on CE477....and that window was the SN window on the southeast side of the TSBD.

Walt, being a revisionist conspiracy kook, will continue to make up his own unique brand of Assassination (Il)Logic (and made-up witness testimony evidently) in order to promote his own forever-skewed idea that a gunman was located on the WEST side of the 6th Floor of the Texas School Book Depository at 12:30 on 11/22/63. (Even though, per Walt, Oswald was going to be FRAMED AS THE LONE PATSY at a DIFFERENT window in the building in the southeast corner. Go figure that crackpot pre-assassination logic, huh?)


WALT SAID:

Belin cleverly did NOT give him a photo of the TSBD that showed the entire south face of the TSBD as it appeared at 12:30 on 11/22/63; so Brennan was forced to depict the rifle angle on that cropped Tom Dillard photo.


DVP SAID:

And was Belin GAGGING Brennan too? Was Brennan prohibited from saying: "Mr. Belin, this is not the window with the gunman"?

It's obvious why Belin didn't need to use photos depicting any WEST-side windows. It's because there was nothing going on in those windows at all, and therefore the west-end windows were meaningless as far as Brennan's testimony was concerned. So Belin, naturally, used this large blow-up of the Dillard picture, which (of course) shows in zoomed form THE ONLY WINDOW WHERE BRENNAN SAW ANY GUNMAN ON 11/22/63....




WALT SAID:

If you were just half as smart and superior as you think you are, you would have had better sense than to post the link to CE 482.


DVP SAID:

And if you get any kookier, Nurse Ratched will come a-callin' for ya.


WALT SAID:

Anybody who looks at CE 482 can clearly see that it would have been impossible for Oswald to fire from that window.


DVP SAID:

~sigh~

There's that word "impossible" again. Conspiracy kooks love that word.


WALT SAID:

Howard Brennan drew an arrow depicting the angle of the rifle as the gunman fired.


DVP SAID:

Yep. And on CE482, the exact window from which Oswald was firing. Go figure.


WALT SAID:

It's a very easy task to slide that 45-degree angle line down, and try to make it fit with the Warren Commission's scenario of Oswald sitting on a box behind the window and resting his rifle on a stack of boxes in front of him, and find that it can't be done as the Warren Commission SPECULATED.


DVP SAID:

Walt evidently (per his vast knowledge here) has gone up to the Sniper's Nest, raised the window half-way, and then fired a Carcano rifle toward the Underpass. And he has verified that Oswald's feat was "impossible". (Kooks love that word.)


WALT SAID:

Thank you for making a fool of yourself once again.


DVP SAID:

And thank you for being the best butt any joke ever had.

~tips cap~


WALT SAID:

Incidently, I do sincerely want to thank you for inadvertantly posting a link to a photo that absolutely demolishes the Warren Commission's THEORY that Lee Oswald was guilty, and he fired from that window to kill President Kennedy.


DVP SAID:

~~ chuckles warmly at the idiocy of above statement ~~

And you, yourself, are incapable of posting links to pictures and sites and articles, right?

Weird.

Note how Walt, in true kook fashion, labels one photo as proof that the WC scenario is demolished. Of course just HOW the Dillard photo "demolishes" the lone-gunman scenario is a mystery. But Walt KNOWS. That's what counts....a kook KNOWS that Lee is innocent! He KNOWS!

Even though multiple people saw a rifle sticking out of that window seen in CE482, and three bullet shells were found below that very window, and Oswald's prints were all over the nest (plus bag), and Oswald is seen at that window, and Oz's bullets are IN THE LIMO and IN THE HOSPITAL --- this (in a kook's world) adds up to:

A TOTALLY DEMOLISHED THEORY BY WAY OF THIS IMAGE:



It is now time (officially) to call for Nurse Ratched.


WALT SAID:

If you Google back about ten years you may get a shock.


DVP SAID:

You mean I might see some stuff posted by Walt that ISN'T full of kookshit??! (Because that's the only way you'll shock me at this stage of the game.)

BTW, once more (for effect)....the following exchange between Belin and Brennan "absolutely demolishes" Walt-Kook's Brennan theory:

BELIN -- "Did you see any other people in any other windows that you can recollect?"

BRENNAN -- "Not on that floor. There was no other person on that floor that ever came to the window that I noticed. There were people on the next floor down, which is the fifth floor, colored guys. In particular, I only remember two that I identified."

NEXT ON "THE KOOK CHANNEL" --- WALT DECLARES BRENNAN TOTALLY BLIND AS OF 11/22/63!! AND WALT CAN PROVE IT!! DETAILS AT 10!!

David Von Pein
March 17, 2007
March 18, 2007