Part 1392 of my "JFK Assassination Arguments" series includes a variety of my posts and comments covering the period of September 1—30, 2025. To read the entire forum discussion from which my own comments have been extracted, click on the "Full Discussion" logo at the bottom of each individual segment.
GREG DOUDNA SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Oswald probably realized that if he had taken a shot while the limousine was on Houston Street, all of the Secret Service men and motorcycle officers would have been facing the TSBD window, and as such, with just a tilt of their heads, Oswald could have been easily observed firing the fatal shots, and return gunfire by the authorities could possibly have been accomplished very rapidly.
But by waiting until the President's car turned onto Elm Street, Oswald knew that most of the armed security people surrounding JFK (policemen and SS agents) would have their backs to the assassin and would not have their eyes focused in Oswald's direction at all, thus making quick return fire much more difficult and awkward.
Plus, waiting until the cars were on Elm had another advantage for Oswald too --- that being: there was literally no escape route for the President. No side streets to veer off to. The limo was forced to keep moving straight ahead toward the Underpass, thus keeping the President in Oswald's sights for even a longer period of time.
If the shooting had begun on Houston Street, limo driver Bill Greer had the option of proceeding straight ahead on Houston and out of the line of direct fire coming from the south-side Depository windows.
Therefore, when weighing the various options as to when to start shooting at President Kennedy with a rifle from the Book Depository Building (in order to maximize the assassin's chances for success), it seems to me that Lee Oswald's decision to wait until the cars had turned onto Elm Street was by far the best choice.
JOHN SIMKIN SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
John,
In addition to the 1967 John Connally quote you provided in your previous post, a very important quote of Connally's from that very same CBS-TV interview is this one:
"The only way that I could ever reconcile my memory of what happened and what occurred, with respect to the One-Bullet Theory is .... it HAD to be the SECOND bullet that might have hit us both."
Watch Governor Connally utter those words in the cued-up video linked here:
David Von Pein
September 1-3, 2025
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BILL BROWN SAID:
Ruth Paine passed away Sunday evening [8/31/2025].
Her son Chris sent me an email early this morning.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
I was very much saddened by the news that Ruth Paine had passed away on August 31st, 2025, just three days before her 93rd birthday.
Among all the people who have ever been associated in some way with the events of November 1963, I liked and admired Ruth the most.
In her many interviews and public appearances since '63 (several of which can be found at the link below), Ruth always seemed very genuine and honest and forthright. I will miss her.
GREG DOUDNA SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Amen!
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"The theories about Ruth Paine are pure mush (and poppycock). They prove nothing. And they certainly don't come close to proving (or really even strongly SUGGESTING) that Mrs. Ruth Paine would have had any motive for wanting to frame Lee Harvey Oswald. The whole idea about the Paines being conspirators has been created out of nothing but sheer speculation--built on a foundation that cannot support any of it.
None of that crap that James DiEugenio wrote in his forum post on this page [in April 2013] comes even close to showing Ruth Paine (or Michael Paine) had anything to do with a conspiracy to murder John Kennedy and/or frame Lee Oswald for that murder.
DiEugenio's pathetic attempts to trash Mrs. Paine are sickening. I only wish I could persuade Ruth to start a slander lawsuit. She'd win, hands down. Does anybody have Ruth's phone number? Maybe I'll give her a call." -- DVP; April 2013
DENNY ZARTMAN SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
It becomes much easier to turn your back on someone when the evidence of that person's guilt in two murders is so blatantly obvious.
Also See:
David Von Pein
September 3, 2025
September 4-5, 2025
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LANCE PAYETTE SAID:
John Orr does not basically accept the SBT at all. He has CE 399 striking John Connally in the back and ending up in his thigh, but JBC's wrist wounds being caused by a fragment from the head shot.
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The fact is, the wrist wounds are the biggest problem for CE 399, JBC's recollections are among the biggest problems for the SBT, and Orr's theory is seemingly helpful in both regards while doing no violence to the LN/SBT narrative.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Does Mr. Orr think, therefore, that it is just a rather amazing coincidence when John Connally's right arm goes flying upward at a point in time in the Zapruder Film which was within a split second of Connally being struck by a bullet? [See the Z-Film clips below.]
And this right arm / hat flying upward movement is occurring, of course, several seconds before any fragments from the JFK head shot could have possibly hit Connally's wrist.
I suppose the argument can be made that John Connally's right arm/hat flip had nothing at all to do with the bullet that was striking the Texas Governor at that exact moment (or pretty close to that exact moment in time anyway), but given the fact that we know that Connally's right wrist was injured during the shooting, it's difficult for me to believe that the very rapid and jerky movement that we can see occurring with Mr. Connally's right arm is somehow not due to the fact that a rifle bullet has just struck JBC's right wrist. Wouldn't you agree, Lance?
LANCE PAYETTE SAID:
People are questioning me like I'm John Orr or am endorsing his theory. Did anyone actually read his analysis? He discusses this aspect at pp. 15-19.
He believes Oswald's first shot was fired at Z204 and his second shot 1.75 seconds later at Z236. He says the second shot hit JBC in the back near the right armpit at Z237 and that this is responsible for the reactions we see at Z238.
Orr has the third shot fired by a Mafia pro at Z312, 4.15 seconds after the second, and a fourth shot by Oswald immediately thereafter that missed completely.
And that's all I'm going to say about that! The shots are all such a Rohrshach test of films, photos, the dictabelt and earwitness and eyewitness testimony that my eyes glaze over and my brain shuts down.
I simply find the notion that JBC's wrist wounds may have been caused by a fragment from the head shot to have considerable explanatory power even for the LN/SBT narrative and for this possibility to at least be worth considering unless it can be shown to be flatly impossible.
Why there would be any visceral LN reaction against this possibility is hard for me to understand.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
I think it's fairly easy to establish the moment in the Zapruder Film when John Connally was struck by the bullet that hit him.
I've collected several relatively good-quality clips from the Z-Film, and after looking over and over again at the zoomed-in frames showing Connally, it's pretty clear (to me anyway) that Mr. Connally is definitely reacting to an external stimulus (a bullet) in the frames immediately after Z224.
There's shoulder-shrugging, hat-flipping, mouth-opening, lapel-bulging, eyes closing, and grimacing all happening between frames 225 and 230.
And yet I'm supposed to believe Connally wasn't even hit at all until Z237? That's ridiculous. (IMHO.)
Also See:
http://JFK-Archives.blogspot.com/The Ultimate In SBT Denial
David Von Pein
September 14, 2025
