MICHAEL CLARK SAID:
[I'm kind] of surprised that the information and issues haven't changed much.
[Michael then posted the video embedded below.]
JAMES DiEUGENIO SAID:
Actually Michael they have. They have changed a lot.
The difference is you will not see anyone on our side the equivalent of Lane today on TV with any kind of reach against a TV star.
What you saw back then, would be today someone like say Gary Aguilar debating say Bill O'Reilly or Chris Mathews [sic].
With what we know today, it would be a massacre. So they won't let it happen.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
But, Jim, Michael was talking specifically about how the "information" and the "issues" (i.e., the major talking points pertaining to JFK's death) haven't changed very much since Mark Lane's appearance on William Buckley's "Firing Line" television program in 1966. And Michael is absolutely right too.
Some "new" things have come up since 1966, of course. But not a single one of them has been significant at all*, and not one of them has undermined or undercut the Warren Commission's conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone killer of both John Kennedy and J.D. Tippit.*
The Warren Commission's work and conclusions will stand the test of time and will continue to be the definitive word on the JFK assassination for all people who have the ability to properly and reasonably and dispassionately evaluate and assess the sum total of the evidence associated with the murders of JFK and Officer Tippit.*
* IMO.
For a few illustrative examples which tend to indicate that Michael Clark is 100% correct when he said what he said above ("the information and issues haven't changed much"), go to the webpages below. In those linked discussions, CTers and I argue about some of the very same already-debunked JFK conspiracy theories that were also the subject of debate and argument way back when
Mark Lane was appearing on TV shows and college campuses in the 1960s.
Only the year has changed. Same debates, different millennium:
jfk-archives/2013/06/the-conspiracy-myths-continue
jfk-archives/2014/12/oswald-ordered-rifle
jfk-archives/2010/06/gerald-ford-and-sbt
jfk-archives/2014/09/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-804
jfk-archives/2017/01/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1227
MICHAEL CLARK SAID:
What I am surprised about, but was not very clear about, is that, so soon after the assassination and the release of the WC report, the lies, inconsistencies, deliberate shortcomings and fraud of the official report were so well known and quite thoroughly laid out, by investigators, researchers and scholars.
If Mr. Lane, and others like him, were given hours to go over his findings, on national TV, without being interrupted by the perp-tool-stooge, William Buckley, I think the people of the US would have had much greater ability and courage to set the record and direction of America back on its proper course.
Cheers,
Michael
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Oh. So THAT'S what you meant. (Figures. You're a CTer.)
MICHAEL CLARK SAID:
David, when you go into a supermarket, do you walk around and, in a bellicose manner, mock, ridicule and taunt people for shopping for groceries?
I have to admit, there is a comedian inside of me that develops caricatures and scenarios like this. I chuckle at my image of you doing this in a grocery store. Lol
To be sure, when I read your posts I come away from them with a sense of a decent person with a good, affable personality and manner. I also respect the lengths you go through to collect and present a great deal of valuable information.
The labeling, mocking and ridicule mentioned above is an unfortunate exception to that and is the source of my Problem Grocery Store Customer sketch.
It can't be easy doing what you do. I hope you can find a little amusement in it.
Cheers,
Michael
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Indeed, Michael, I find a lot of amusement in it.
(Do you need even 2 guesses to figure out the source of the bulk of my amusement?) :)
Here are just a few random samples of some of the things written by conspiracy theorists that I have archived at my websites over the last several years, providing an immense amount of "amusement", to be sure. (Authors' identities withheld. No sense rubbing salt in these wounds.) ....
[Silly Quotes On:]
"The [autopsy] images were altered, fake representations of JFK's wounds. Any examination of them is also fake, as it is based on false information."
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"Oswald was already in the Texas Theater at the time of Tippet’s [sic] murder."
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"Baker never saw Oswald. .... I believe the [Oswald/Baker/Truly] incident was created after the fact."
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"I will not respond to any thread that David von Pein [sic] or any of his numerous sock puppets start. He (and his multiple fake profiles) are not looking for truth. .... It is just not productive to engage a disinformation artist."
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"David Von Pain [sic] is a known disinformation agent working for John McAdams on the newsgroup alts. He's been thrown off most of the assassination sites for being an abusive flame thrower and a miserable troll."
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"I don't believe Oswald shot Tippit."
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"DVP doesn't post evidence but only his opinion of what it says and means."
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"Do not be fooled by this guy [DVP]. His education is what he has always kept covered up. Hiding his real identity has thrown everyone for a loop, his plan exactly. .... Remember he was from the town that Ruth Paine visited on her trip to pick up Marina -- Richmond, Indiana, a strong Quaker town. Von Pein would only have been a couple years old in '63, but he had family. Although I can't prove it, I think his family knew Ruth Paine. He may have set [sic] on her lap? .... I suspect he is a disinfo agent."
[Oh, man! If only my bladder wasn't so damn weak!]
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"I don't think Brennan was at any lineup. .... I think Brennan is a completely created witness."
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"Couldn't find anything good in it [the book "Beyond Reasonable Doubt"] and didn't see anything you got right."
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"You cannot even prove he [LHO] ever had possession of the handgun."
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"What's the definitive evidence that the hit team was on the sixth floor? .... If they WERE on the sixth floor, they could have been at the other end."
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"And despite all your years writing about the case, you haven't a single piece of solid definitive evidence against Oswald."
[Time for another one of these ---->
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"DVP, Either you are a surrogate for the U.S. Government. Or you speak the same as the government."
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"I do not think you (or your pal Vince Bugliosi) have ever understood what the Kennedy murder was all about. You both seem to view it as a simple homicide. But it was not. It was not simply about "killing the President"; It was about murdering the President and getting away with it. .... In this case, the evidence had to be altered, messed with, replaced, substituted, planted, choose your own terms. .... Critical evidence has been changed, and replaced with a false overlay, if you will."
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"I think Wesley Frazier was pressured into doing what he did, and the Dallas police forced him into doing it because they needed somebody besides Brennan to pin the thing on Oswald."
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"They messed with the Hughes film. They messed with every film and photo that they could get their hands on. The JFK assassination is the most photographically altered event in the history of the world."
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"Having studied these [Zapruder Film] frames - Z 222 to Z 230 - it is clear that what is happening is that John Connally is turning his body to the left so that by Z 230 he is actually facing forward. These frames in a gif would demonstrate that - were Z 226 and Z 227 and Z 228 not partially or wholly blurred. Unfortunately they are blurred and when incorporated into a gif these same frames throw up extraordinary results. It is these same extraordinary results that allow members like you [David Von Pein] to suggest that these very frames actually suggest that John Connally is reacting to being struck by a bullet when - in fact - he has not been struck."
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"I don't think Oswald had anything to do with the rifle transaction."
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"JEH [J. Edgar Hoover] alone controlled all the evidence."
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"I think that that whole thing about burning the [autopsy] notes...was just a cover story."
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"I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there is no evidence. There is no evidence. There is no evidence. Other than the fact that Oswald could NOT have killed the president."
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"I am 99.9999999% convinced now that Oswald did not room at the Bledsoe residence. He did not know this woman."
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"I'm against censorship, but persons like Mr Von Pein have crossed a line where they no longer deserve fair hearing amongst honest people. I think we also need to figure out a way to move towards prosecuting them. These persons are just in flagrant denial of the obvious evidence of Oswald's CIA relationship."
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"Now can we work on getting Von Pein legally prohibited from use of the internet?"
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"The biggest development in the history of JFK assassination research has just happened. We have irrefutable proof now that the garage shooter of Lee Harvey Oswald was FBI Agent James Bookhout. .... There is no longer a speck of doubt that an agent of the US government, James Bookhout, shot Lee Harvey Oswald--not Jack Ruby."
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"I believe that Lee Oswald shot neither JFK or Tippit."
[End Silly Quotes.]
Whew! That's enough amusement to last until next Christmas!
JAMES DiEUGENIO SAID:
Typical non sequitur by DVP.
The idea that the database of info has not changed significantly since the ARRB is preposterous, but alas so is DVP.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
The only thing that is "preposterous" is the notion that the release of the ARRB files has totally discredited every last thing the Warren Commission ever said or did. THAT'S really preposterous. The ARRB files do no such thing and never did.
Jimmy D., as usual, is dreaming his wistful conspiracy dreams in his world filled with more alleged liars than you can shake a stick at.
JAMES DiEUGENIO SAID:
And Gary Aguilar is one of the people who has changed that calculus first hand.
To name 3 examples:
1. He is the one who fished out the fact that there was no difference between the Parkland and Bethesda witness about the hole in the rear of the skull.
Either Blakey or Baden lied.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
The autopsy photos trump the witnesses. And not a single autopsy photo shows a big hole in the back of JFK's head. Nor does the Zapruder Film. Simple as that.
Mark VII.
JAMES DiEUGENIO SAID:
2. He is the one, with Tink Thompson, who found that Bardwell Odum never showed CE 399 to O. P. Wright.
Hoover, or a subordinate with his permission, lied.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Oh, good! More liars! (Jimmy never runs out of those, as we can see.)
Jim thinks the 37-year-old memory of Bardwell Odum trumps the 1964 FBI report which verifies and documents all the details of Odum's 6/12/64 visit to Parkland Hospital to show CE399 to Tomlinson and Wright.
Odum's memory of the event was obviously pretty bad in 2001 or 2002.
I wonder if Bardwell Odum actually said something like this to Aguilar and Thompson:
That FBI report with my name in it in many places is a complete fraud and a forgery.
Think Odum ever said that?
JAMES DiEUGENIO SAID:
3. Gary got Rick Randich and Pat Grant to do a seminar in SF to demonstrate over a period of 90 minutes how and why the NAA for Bullet Lead Analysis is pure bunk, and how [Dr. Vincent] Guinn made a series of incredible errors in his entering assumptions to make a mockery of this so called "proof". And then Gary blasted Bugliosi in the Federal Lawyer for bringing it up again in his turgid door stop, RH ["Reclaiming History"]. Bugliosi was so embarrassed at being shown up as con artist in front of his peers that he threatened to sue Gary. But he did not.
I am not sure if Guinn lied in this one. IMO, he was simply out of his element since he was not a metallurgist.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
This item isn't even all that important for Lone Assassin believers. As has been mentioned many times over the years, the NAA analysis was simply a corroborative type thing in the first place. It is completely unnecessary in any effort to support the Single-Bullet Theory.
Yes, it would be nice if Dr. Guinn's NAA tests turned out to be more definitive. But even without any NAA analysis on the bullet fragments, the SBT is still alive and well for so many OTHER obvious reasons. Given ALL the evidence surrounding the wounding of Connally and Kennedy on Elm Street, it would almost be impossible for the SBT NOT to be true.
[Let the ridicule of DVP begin in earnest.]
JAMES DiEUGENIO SAID:
Those three points are all since the ARRB and Lane could not have known about them. And they were all fundamental defenses used by WC defenders. They have all been completely vitiated, yet they had all been used to support the official story. And notice none of this concerns what DVP always likes to say about the new evidence, oh it's x-ray fakery, etc. This is all just new evidence, and I could go on and on.
DVP never went through the new files and he never will. He just surfs the web and when someone on his side comes up with something, like the discredited Jean Davison, he prints it, with no prior knowledge of the primary source.
But believe me, if Gary got on TV with Mathews [sic] and presented this stuff, it would have an impact. Which is why it will not happen. Which is why our country is so schizoid on the JFK case. As the case discrediting the WC gets stronger and stronger, the ban from mass media gets more and more stringent. I think for obvious reasons.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Did you ever consider the possibility that the Mainstream Media just simply figured out that all the conspiracy theories about JFK's death are worthless and void of any FACTUAL basis for consideration?
You've got to admit, Jim, that it would sure be nice (for your side) if you had something besides speculation, liars, and disappearing bullets to rest your case on. Unfortunately for the conspiracists, they don't possess anything else.
David Von Pein
February 26, 2017
