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PAT SPEER SAID:
When I pointed out that this distortion demonstrated that Kennedy and Connally's wounds did NOT align, furthermore, Myers offered instead that his animation as depicted in Beyond the Magic Bullet was of no value, one way or the other. This aroused the ire of one David Von Pein...who continued to insist that the animation in Beyond the Magic Bullet proves the wounds aligned, in spite of the fact Myers had disavowed this animation.
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DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Two-part SBT series from 2008:
PART 1 -- PART 2
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JAMES DiEUGENIO SAID:
CE 399 is not the same bullet that was found at Parkland.
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DVP SAID:
Utter nonsense from DiEugenio (as usual).
Of course CE399 is the exact same bullet found by Tomlinson at Parkland. And there are several reasons (based on common sense alone) to know that CE399 was not "planted" or "switched", as discussed HERE.
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DVP THEN SAID:
The SBT is so obviously true, only hard-headed anti-SBTers have to wrestle with it.
1.) JFK hit in UPPER BACK with a bullet.
2.) JBC hit in UPPER BACK with a bullet.
3.) JBC is sitting directly in front of JFK ("directly", that is, from Oswald's slightly "right-to-left" perspective of the victims as Oswald was shooting the victims from the TSBD's 6th floor).
4.) Both victims are reacting at precisely the same time in the Z-Film (despite the constant protestations from the CT crowd).
5.) No bullets in JFK.
6.) No substantial damage in JFK's neck/back to account for a FMJ bullet suddenly stopping dead in its tracks--let alone TWO such missiles, which is the ridiculous scenario that CTers like Farley are forced to swallow.
And, somehow, when adding up #1 thru #6 above, the SBT is a scenario that is not only improbable according to the CT brigade--it's TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
The anti-SBT crowd is off the rails of reality.
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LEE FARLEY SAID:
Reality?
Only in a reality as weirdly warped as yours would you believe that a man with no motive whatsoever actually did something that so many other people wanted to happen.
Stroke of luck that, don't you think?
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DVP SAID:
Nice dodge, Lee boy.
You know, of course, that no reasonable person can get around the logic laid out in points #1 thru #6 listed above. So, you did exactly what you accused me of doing in your previous post -- you "ignore everything". Lovely.
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LEE FARLEY SAID:
If you ever come up with a reason why the guy you think did it actually did it, you will drop by and let us know, won't you?
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DVP SAID:
Sure: Oswald's Motive
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MARK KNIGHT SAID:
So I have a question for DVP...IF you and the WC are correct (HUGE "if", there)...how or why was there copper residue [as in, possibly from a copper-jacketed bullet??] found by Heiberger in his spectrographic analysis on the defect in the COLLAR of JFK's coat?
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DVP SAID:
Who cares?
Are you now going to suggest that there was a bullet hole in JFK's coat collar?
Of course, Bob Frazier explained the existence of that "defect". It wasn't a bullet hole. The defect was made by the FBI.
Addendum:
In direct contradiction to what conspiracy theorist Mark Knight said above, Bob Frazier of the FBI also told the Warren Commission that "no copper" was found in the sample piece of cloth that was taken by the FBI from President Kennedy's coat collar.
Here are Frazier's exact words on the subject [located at 5 H 59]:
"Traces of copper were found around the margins of the hole in the back of the coat, and as a control, a very small section under the collar was taken, and no copper being found there, it was concluded that the copper was foreign to the coat itself." -- Robert A. Frazier; May 13, 1964
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JIM DiEUGENIO SAID:
The smoke DVP is trying to blow on this is right out of [Dale] Myers and Vince [Bugliosi]. (He almost never has an original concept. Except calling people kooks.)
He is trying to say that JBC is so far inboard that the wound would not be to the left of the spine.
This is nonsense. It exists only in Myers' computer world, which DVP likes to say is the real world. Which shows you how delusional he is.
The whole idea behind Myers' BS (besides him making money off lying about Kennedy's death), was to get people to stop looking at the Z film and the real films and photos. That real evidence does not back up what Myers is saying. The real inboard dimensions of the jump seat is much less than what Myers uses. And if you factor in Kennedy's actual position in the back seat, it seems to me that they are just about lined up.
Therefore, any shot from the so-called "sniper's perch" would be an oblique one. The trajectory would be right to left. Through both men.
But like I said, it's all BS anyway. I hate even talking about this crap.
It never happened. And the FBI knew it that night. Which is why they switched the bullets. And it's why Von Pein has to lie about this.
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GLENN VIKLUND SAID:
Jim,
Would you please care to explain why DVP is "lying"? See, this is something I don't really understand. For what reason is it not possible to reach different conclusions on what happened in Dealey Plaza that day, without being accused of lying?
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JIM DiEUGENIO SAID:
Von Pein is lying when he says that the bullet that Tomlinson found on the stretcher at Parkland is the same bullet that is in evidence today as CE 399. It is not and the evidence I adduced in post 42, where I challenged him to sue me, proves it is not. This is an important point for two crucial reasons.
First, it proves that whatever bullet was found on that stretcher--which was not even the right stretcher--would not fit the rifle that the DPD found on the Sixth Floor. Secondly, it proves that the FBI was complicit in the cover up from the first day.
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DVP SAID:
Delusional DiEugenio strikes again. Everybody's a "liar" in DiEugenio's crazy world of conspiracy....even me. Unbelievable.
Maybe Jimbo should take another look at my "Points 1 thru 6" in this previous post regarding the Single-Bullet Theory, and then try to tell a reasonable person that the SBT is an imaginary crock of shit invented by Arlen Specter.
BTW, neither Delusional DiEugenio nor anybody else has ever "proven" that CE399 is a fake bullet. They haven't even come close to "proving" any such vile accusation. And, yes, it is a vile and irresponsible accusation. Not to mention an extraordinary one, which requires an equal amount of extraordinary proof to back it up. And the Tomlinson/Wright business isn't even close to proving 399 is not the stretcher bullet.
And the time discrepancies re Bob Frazier and Elmer Todd (the 7:30 vs. 8:50 discrepancy) isn't proof either. And DiEugenio should know why -- because the FBI wasn't even in possession of Oswald's rifle until several hours AFTER either one of those times.
Plus, if the FBI was monkeying around with all of the evidence and the associated paperwork (which is what DiEugenio believes is the case), then why wouldn't they simply fake some of the documents to make the Frazier/Todd times MATCH re the bullet? Ever wonder about that, Jimbo?
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PAMELA BROWN SAID:
Your reply [re the validity of Bullet CE399] shows a naivete to the way the WC diverted us from what actually occurred. The lack of provenance of CE 399 is a good example.
Jim DiEugenio, on the other hand, has taken the time and effort to follow the twisted path of this bullet and chooses not to find the official version of events credible.
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DVP SAID:
Whoopee for Jimmy!
But every Government committee/Commission to examine the JFK case HAS found the SBT to be "credible". And those committees each found CE399 to be the exact bullet to have accomplished the SBT.
Send your next complaint to Louis Stokes and Co. They must have blown it too, huh? Or were they all liars and cover-uppers too?
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LEE FARLEY SAID:
What did you expect them [the HSCA] to say [about the SBT and CE399]? That the previous investigation was a crock and your entire system of government is corrupt to high heaven?
You need to lay off the aspartame. I know you think it's safe, but regardless of what your governmental departments tell you, it's not. You're obviously ingesting far too much methyl ester.
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DVP SAID TO THE KOOK NAMED FARLEY:
Well, Lee, since the HSCA was desperately LOOKING FOR A CONSPIRACY in the Kennedy case (and they "found" a bogus one too, via the acoustics charade), I'd expect them to say exactly what you conspiracy guys have been saying for years about CE399 and the SBT--if, that is, such things were actually true and could be backed up with something other than sheer CTer speculation and wishful thinking.
That's what I would expect the HSCA to say regarding these matters.
Unfortunately, however, for the conspiracy nuts who think the SBT is a fraud and that CE399 was planted, the HSCA came to the same conclusion (generally) about 399 and the SBT that the Warren Commission came to -- i.e., the HSCA agreed with the WC that one bullet wounded both limo victims and that that ONE BULLET was Warren Commission Exhibit No. Three-Niner-Niner.
So, Lee Farley, I guess you'll just have to live with the undeniable fact that BOTH of the official committees that were assigned to thoroughly investigate John Kennedy's murder came to the very same conclusions regarding these two important questions:
1.) Is the Single-Bullet Theory a valid theory?
WC answer: Yes.
HSCA answer: Yes.
and
2.) Was CE399 the bullet that wounded both JFK and John Connally on 11/22/63?
WC answer: Yes.
HSCA answer: Yes.
Maybe a third official investigation will be the charm for the anti-SBT conspiracy mongers. Or does the conspiracy-happy crowd think that a third panel would be just as corrupt and dishonest as the first two were?
David Von Pein
May 1, 2011
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