JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
>>> "So, you really believe Posner's Magic Twig Theory and you are going to stick with that answer?" <<<
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
If you would have put quotation marks around the word "stick", it
would have made for a better play on words. ;)
But, yes, I'm "sticking" to the tree theory. Overall, it makes the
most sense to me.
If you don't like it, don't believe it. I don't care.
>>> "The WCC M-C does not neatly split into two parts, the jacket and the lead core. Never has. Never will." <<<
And it probably wouldn't have really needed to split perfectly and
uniformly into two separate parts (one marked "copper", the other
Just because there was no trace of copper on the Main St. curb, why
does that HAVE to mean (beyond every SHRED of a doubt) that the
fragment that hit that curb couldn't have also had SOME copper
elements sticking to it? The copper part just didn't hit the curb, but
the lead part did.
Why is that totally out of the realm of possibility or probability?
>>> "What you should be arguing as a nice little WC defender is that
the lead core squeezed out of the base left in the limo went on to hit
the curb." <<<
I don't like that theory. I know some LNers do. But that head-shot
bullet was pretty much spent by the time it exited Kennedy's head.
It didn't even have enough energy left to go through the breakable
windshield after exiting the head of the President.
And yet a fragment from that head shot is supposed to (per some
people) make it all the way out to Main to reach James Tague, chip
the curb (slightly), and send shards of either curbstone or bullet
material up to meet Tague's face with still enough force/energy
left to draw blood?
I'll go with the first (tree) shot hitting Tague, thank you.
Although having said that, I'll put my built-in asterisk around the
above statements by saying that the head-shot fragment scenario is
still way better than anything the conspiracy crowd has invented to
account for Tague's wounding, mainly because we pretty much KNOW
beyond all conceivable doubt that only THREE SHOTS were fired in
And since we know that Tague was certainly not wounded by shot #2
(the SBT bullet), that leaves only two choices (shot #1 or shot #3).
I'll choose #1. But if it wasn't #1, it was #3. ;)
>>> "And then went on to injure Ronnie Fuller?" <<<
Nah. Orson Welles, you dummy. ;)
Per some crackpots, Orson WAS in the Plaza with a large cache of
weapons on 11/22/63, you know. And he WAS a pretty large target too.
>>> "You find Bugliosi's scenario hard to swallow, but you buy the Magic Twig Theory hook, line and sinker?" <<<
You bet. Vincent Bugliosi's first-shot/Tague scenario is just not very
believable (IMO). But at least VB and I fully agree on almost everything
else, including the time of the first (Tague) gunshot -- Z160.
>>> "Why not Holland's Magic Light Pole theory instead?" <<<
Mainly because Max Holland has the first shot occurring way too soon
(IMO). Would John Connally have waited several seconds to turn his
head to the right (which occurs at about Z164 on the Zapruder Film) if
he had really heard the first shot way back when the car was in the
Elm/Houston intersection? I doubt it.
MORE ABOUT MAX HOLLAND'S "11 SECONDS IN DALLAS"
>>> "What two curbs?" <<<
Elm then Main.
What curbs did you think I was talking about when speaking of
Bugliosi's first-shot theory -- the Lemmon and Turtle Creek curbs
I will, however, correct my previous post slightly (in the "two curbs"
regard) --- I should have said "pavement" instead of "two curbs".
To be perfectly technical, I should have said that the bullet (according
to Mr. Bugliosi's proposed first-shot scenario) hit the "Elm St. pavement
(somewhere in the middle of the street behind JFK's limo) and then
went on to strike the Main St. curb."
David Von Pein
LINK TO ORIGINAL POST (NOVEMBER 3, 2007)
Posted By: David Von Pein