JEFFERSON MORLEY SAID:
Oswald: “I work in that building”....
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
jfk-archives.blogspot.com/Where Was Oswald At 12:30?
jfk-archives.blogspot.com/Oswald's Patsy Lie
AN ANONYMOUS CONSPIRACY THEORIST SAID:
Working in the building. Indeed he did.
Two things:
The Billy Lovelady crap. If LHO had been on the steps at the time of the shooting, that would be among the first things he would have pointed to with Will Fritz.
Two, the whole scenario:
A guy decides to shoot the president from his workplace window during his lunch break, using a weapon with a paper trail leading to himself. Take a moment on that one.
Makes a lame attempt at stashing it. Pauses for a Coke. Then takes a course of travel any schoolyard planning would have avoided: [He goes] back to his known rooming house for a pistol and jacket.
LHO figured he was a patsy somewhere around the coke machine, I feel. The theater was a destination more than some duck-in spot. Otherwise he would have paid [for] the ticket.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Monday morning quarterbacking is great for conspiracy advocates, isn’t it?
But one thing that the arrival of Monday morning doesn’t do is erase that large pile of evidence (and Lee Oswald’s very own actions) that indicate LHO’s guilt in two 11/22/63 murders.
Conspiracy theorists can pretend that all of that evidence pointing directly at Oswald is fake or tainted. But can they prove it? Has anyone ever come close to proving that just one piece of the evidence is fraudulent? I think not. And suspicion of fakery is a far cry from something called “proof”.
jfk-archives.blogspot.com/Oswald Timeline
PAUL TURNER SAID:
David,
Oswald was never proven guilty in a court of law, the way it should have been done. Why? LBJ cut off Congressional investigations into the assassination. Why? The Warren Commission’s failure to prove their single-bullet theory meant that Oswald couldn’t have fired all of the shots. Right?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
So, Paul, are you saying that Oswald’s dead corpse should have been propped up in a courtroom in Dallas and his trial should have proceeded even after Ruby shot him dead?
Of course Oswald was not “proven guilty in a court of law”. But that worn-out excuse has always been nothing but a cop-out used by conspiracy advocates (IMO).
Whether Oswald went to trial or not, the EVIDENCE still exists. And this evidence does not add up to an innocent Lee Harvey Oswald. Not even close.
BART KAMP SAID:
“Out with Bill Shelley, in front” has been given a much more concise meaning thanks to Ray Mitcham. Shelley left the steps with Lovelady straight after the shots were fired and they made their way West towards the railroad yard.
So Oswald could have only been with him before Shelley & Lovelady left the steps. Which makes him Prayer Man.
Or after Shelley came back, which destroys Oswald leaving the TSBD in 3 minutes. But there is an issue with that “after”. Shelley was not noticed outside on the steps later on, nor did he mention this anywhere.
Bookhout’s solo report refers to Oswald and Shelley talking after the shooting, and is a separate instance.
Oswald stood outside next to Shelley. Shelley left and after coming back through a side entrance into the TSBD spoke with Oswald about no work being done that afternoon. Then left his details at the front door and did what Roger Craig ended up spotting. It’s all coming together rather nicely.
“Out with Bill Shelley, in front” is the answer to “Where were you when the limo passed by or when The President got shot?”
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
You’re just making stuff up to suit your Anybody But Oswald requirements.
So, per many CTers, Oswald was supposedly “out with Shelley” at 12:30 and yet LHO says NOT A SINGLE WORD about being “out with Shelley” when he has the chance to do so on live TV on multiple occasions on both Nov. 22 AND Nov. 23. Incredible, isn’t it?
Oswald must have been framing himself. He has the perfect chance to clear himself on TV and he doesn’t utter a word regarding his ironclad “Out With Shelley” alibi. (And people call LNers “gullible”. Geesh.)
AVINASH SAID:
The Prayer Man footage clearly places Oswald on the front steps during the shooting.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Clearly?? Holy overstatement!
jfk-archives.blogspot.com/"Prayer Man"
RAY MITCHAM SAID:
Posted by Colin Crow on another site:
“Strange that Oswald knew that Jarman and Norman passed by the lunchroom after 12:20. If he was on the 6th floor, how did he know they went via that route from the front of the building? How did he know Bill Shelley was out front of the TSBD? When Oswald left via the front entrance, Shelley was either in the railyard or back inside the building. He did not go back to the front. Why not try and use one of the employees still out front for his alibi?”
Any answers, DVP?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
A much better question is:
Why didn’t Oswald utilize his perfect “Out With Shelley” alibi when he faced the reporters at City Hall on both 11/22 and 11/23 and during his televised midnight press conference?
Any idea, Ray?
AN ANONYMOUS CONSPIRACY THEORIST SAID:
David, you need to sharpen up your game a bit yourself. In 2017, old and worn out is the cornerstone of the view of the WC and its report for the last several decades.
Prop LHO up in a courtroom. Good stuff. Actually attempting to prop up this mountain of nonsense that is the WC and its report is more accurate.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
That’s funny, Mr. Anonymous. You seem to think that the evidence in a murder case can somehow become “old and worn out”. How so? The evidence is still going to be the evidence in 2018, 2039, and 2525. It’s not going anywhere. And it all points to Oswald, so why kid yourself?
You must think all (or most) of that evidence is fraudulent in some manner, right? Well, I don’t agree with that line of thinking. When coupled with Oswald’s own actions on 11/21 and 11/22, any CTer has an uphill battle in trying to prove any of that evidence pointing to LHO is tainted.
IOW, how do you get a truly innocent patsy to act so much like a guilty person on the day those crimes were committed by somebody else?
Good luck answering that one in a reasonable and believable fashion.
AN ANONYMOUS CONSPIRACY THEORIST SAID:
The Midnight Press Conference....
Would anyone agree that it was Jack Ruby standing in the back of the room clearly heard correcting a reporter as to the proper description of the DRE and shouting at LHO “Who Said What?” in a threatening way?
Your thoughts?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Ruby didn’t correct anybody about the “DRE”. It was the FPCC. And OTHERS in the room did the same thing at the same time. So Ruby wasn’t alone in that “correction” as most CTers seem to want to believe.
And it certainly was not Jack Ruby who said “Nobody said what?” to Oswald. That voice doesn’t sound a thing like Ruby to me (see video below).
JEFFERSON MORLEY SAID:
Hi David,
I have seen the film of the press conference and I wasn’t aware that anyone else corrected the “Free Cuba Committee” comment. Who else spoke up? Can we identify?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Jeff,
I can’t identify the voices, but if you listen to the recording of the Henry Wade press conference in question (provided below), you can hear at least two different men (perhaps three) say “Fair Play” at the same time to correct Wade’s error. So Ruby definitely wasn’t alone when he spoke up....
David Von Pein
January 2-18, 2017
