WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
No Parkland observer placed the wound [in President Kennedy's head] solely anteriorly on the right side.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Which means (incredibly) they were all mistaken.
How can we know this?
Via the Zapruder Film. (Not to mention the autopsy photos and X-rays.)
Where's the wound in the Z-Film? ....
And to those who think the Z-Film is fake, they've got to explain the observations of Bill and Gayle Newman and Abe Zapruder, who ALL placed the wound on the RIGHT SIDE of JFK's head (not in the REAR of the head) in their live television interviews on WFAA-TV on 11/22/63.
I guess CTers think all three of those Dallas civilians lied to Jay Watson about what they each saw.
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
"Incredibly" is an understatement, Von Pein. It is totally PREPOSTEROUS to even consider such nonsense. Only disingenuous pre acks [???] such as you and your gaggle of stooges would assert such nonsense. Has Von Peepee seen a photo of JFK with his face blown off?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
But I suppose it's NOT at all "preposterous" to consider the idea that ALL of the autopsy photos and X-rays are fakes AND that the Zapruder Film is a fraud AND that the autopsy physicians all lied in their testimony AND that the autopsy report is a fraud as well. Is that right, (Half-)Whitten?
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
The photos aren't "faked", they are misconstrued, and we know from McClelland, who saw ALL of the autopsy photos in the National Archives, that there ARE others that show the wounds without the flaps covering them.
The question then arises: WHY HAVEN'T THESE PHOTOS BEEN RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC???
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Hilarious! Whitten, therefore, must think this X-ray shows a big hole in the back of JFK's head:
Time to stop pretending, William --- there was no big hole in the back of JFK's cranium.
And Dr. McClelland's "flap" explanation is laughable. Here's why.
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
As I already explained to Von Peepee, the X-rays were taken when the mass of hair and gore was still holding the "flaps" together on the skull.
Von Peepee is ignoring not only the Parkland witness testimony now, but also that of Dr Boswell.
[...]
Obviously Von Pein cannot grasp that there are photos in the National Archives showing the large wound at the occipital-parietal with the 'flaps' open, as well as other photos similar to the one in the public domain with the flap being pulled over the wound.
DVP simply cannot wrap his head around such obvious information, because he is blinded by bias and hubris.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
More hilarity from Whitten. He thinks there are pictures in the National Archives that would somehow TOTALLY UNDO (or debunk) these two pics:
Plus: We KNOW there are no NARA photos that show any large wound in the back of JFK's head.
How can we know?
Because the HSCA and the Clark Panel saw ALL of the photos and X-rays (not just the ones that have been bootlegged and shown on the Internet and in many books). And the HSCA & Clark Panel determined that ALL of the pictures (in tandem) show the following....
"Examination of the clothing and of the photographs and X-rays taken at autopsy reveal that President Kennedy was struck by two bullets fired from above and behind him, one of which traversed the base of the neck on the right side without striking bone and the other of which entered the skull from behind and exploded its right side." -- CLARK PANEL REPORT (Full report here)
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
What honest researchers should be asking is, WHY? Why are those 55 photos and X-rays in the National Archives being withheld from public view?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
You know darn well what the answer to this is. The Kennedy family never wanted ANY of the autopsy pics released. And we're lucky that ANY of them have managed to get into the public domain. We shouldn't have any of them even now.
So, is the Kennedy family part of the cover-up too, Whitten?
"NICK" SAID:
Which members of the Kennedy family are you referring to right now, Von Trapped?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
The family as a whole. Not just one particular Kennedy. You know that.
"NICK" SAID:
"You know that."
Do I? Do YOU? Which members of the Kennedy family are keeping these autopsy pics from being released? RFK? Jackie? Ted? They're all DEAD. John-John Jr.? He was killed too.
So tell us, Von Dolt, who wants to keep these autopsy pics from being released? Rory Kennedy? Caroline?
Or are you just regurgitating a Talking Point again?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Mostly Caroline, I would think. But, again, it's a generational "Kennedy Family" request. Otherwise, the ARRB would have released the photos in the late 1990s.
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
Utter nonsense, Von Pein. The right of the public to know trumps any private concerns of any family, regardless of how famous or politically powerful they are.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
I totally agree with you. We should be able to see all of the photos.
But the fact is: It's the KENNEDY FAMILY that is keeping those pictures under wraps—and everybody knows it. Like it or not. That's the way it is. Write your congressman if you don't like it.
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
Pure conjecture. You are making up crap again, just like you clowns always do.
[...]
Von Pein...has been caught and called out in being a stunningly disingenuous propagandist. It is completely obvious that there are photos of JFK's head wound that show the huge deficit in the Occipital-Parietal, and Von Pien [sic] is more than happy that they are being withheld from the public.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Yeah, that must be why I said this a few minutes ago....
"I totally agree with you. We should be able to see all of the photos."
-- DVP; 7/10/16
I'd LOVE to see all of the photos. That way, we'd be able to see just what the HSCA and Clark Panel ALREADY HAVE SEEN AND COMMENTED ON — i.e., the pictures (ALL of them) show the large wound in JFK's head to be in the RIGHT/FRONT/TOP part of the head, with no deficit in the head in the OCCIPITAL region at all (which is proven via the X-rays already in the public domain, and in the Zapruder Film as well).
And....
“There was no defect or wound to the rear of Kennedy's head other than the entrance wound in the upper right part of his head.” -- DR. MICHAEL BADEN (Page 408 of "Reclaiming History" by Vincent Bugliosi)
“The exit wound was a large, irregular wound to the front and right side of the President's head.” -- DR. JAMES J. HUMES; June 1967
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
Von Pien [sic] is obviously going to go on and on with this mindless squattle as long as he can, to bury the fact that there was a huge exit wound in the occipital-parietal of JFK's head, that practically every doctor and nurse at Parkland Hospital witnessed on November 22, 1963.
This is now proved beyond reasonable doubt.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Then it must have been a "huge exit wound" in the occipital area that became invisible to every camera and X-ray machine that was focused on the President's head at Bethesda Naval Hospital.
Remarkable.
"MOGUL CAST" SAID:
David,
As it turns out, it is illegal to supply those kind of photos of a dead person in the state of Texas.
[Quoting from this webpage:]
“We found nine states that have laws directly addressing the disclosure of crime scene photographs. Generally, all nine restrict access to these photos or exempt them from disclosure, with certain exceptions. For example, some states, such as Florida, Georgia, and Texas, allow the release of the photos to a decedent's close family members or people they designate. In all but two of the states (Minnesota and Montana), the laws apply to photographs of deceased people. Some laws specify, in detail, the types of photos that they cover. Texas' law, for example, applies to "sensitive crime scene images," including those depicting dismemberment and other types of mutilation. Georgia has a similar restriction. And North Dakota exempts from disclosure images of homicide and sex crime victims and of minor victims of any crime.”
"MOGUL CAST" LATER SAID:
David,
It turns out requests for photos have to be approved by the Kennedy family representative, Mr. Paul Kirk.
[Quoting from this webpage:]
“The autopsy photographs and X-rays of President Kennedy were donated to the National Archives by the Kennedy family by an agreement dated October 29, 1966. This agreement limits access to such materials to: (1) persons authorized to act for a Committee of Congress, a Presidential Commission, or any other official agency of the Federal government having authority to investigate matters relating to the assassination of President Kennedy and to (2) recognized experts in the field of pathology or related areas of science and technology whose applications are approved by the Kennedy family representative, Mr. Paul Kirk.”
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Thanks, Mogul. Good info.
DAVID VON PEIN ALSO SAID:
From Vince Bugliosi's book (emphasis added by DVP).....
“The April 30, 1964, executive session of the Warren Commission dealt with a potpourri of matters, such as additional areas of inquiry that should be explored...e.g., taking Ruby's deposition; reaching a decision that two or more Commission members should go to Dallas to examine the entire assassination scene; the problem with the Kennedy family not wanting the autopsy photos to become a part of the record because they didn't want the president "to be remembered in connection with those pictures" (the tentative position was to honor the family's request but to have at least "a doctor and some member of the Commission...examine them sufficiently so that they could report to the Commission," if such be the case, that there was "nothing inconsistent with the other findings in connection with the matter in those pictures")...” -- Vincent T. Bugliosi; Page 353 of "Reclaiming History"
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
Von Pein citing Bugliosi citing a 1964 segment of the Warren Report is too lame to even consider seriously, let alone with a sense of humor.
Von Pein is clearly a madman.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Good boy, Whitten. Keep pretending that everything in the Warren Report and its 26 supporting volumes belongs in the nearest trash can. It's what all good conspiracy-happy clowns do. And you don't want to be different.
You see, that convenient excuse permits the conspiracy faithful to merely toss aside (or label as "lame") everything written by the Warren Commission, without even glancing at it.
~yawn~
~stretch~
~zzzzzz~
But, by all means, Whitten, keep plugging away at the "occipital" wound thing (which none of the photos or X-rays come close to showing). I'll just keep posting this composite photo each time you insist "It is completely obvious that there are photos of JFK's head wound that show the huge deficit in the Occipital-Parietal."
Whitten is clearly a clown (as well as a kook).
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
By all means keep avoiding the fact that the Photos and X-rays that DO in FACT show the Occipital wound are hidden away in the National Archives.
It is astonishing how right in your face obvious your BS lies are. Right on this very page!!! What a dumb jerk you are, VP.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Oh, you mean the "Occipital Wound" photos that you've never seen? And the ones that Dr. Baden and the rest of the HSCA's Forensic Pathology Panel never saw either?....
“There was no defect or wound to the rear of Kennedy's head other than the entrance wound in the upper right part of his head.” -- DR. MICHAEL BADEN
Or do you think Dr. Baden only saw SOME of the autopsy photographs and X-rays — not ALL of them?
But keep pluggin', Whitten. After all, you're an Internet CT clown. You have no choice but to believe there's something rotten in Denmark (and Dallas).
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
I have no idea if Baden saw all of them and lied, or if he didn't see all of them.
The fact is that the majority of the nurses and doctors at Parkland Hospital saw Kennedy's head wounds personally; Occipital-Parietal is the consensus.
You can keep fighting the truth of this until you drop dead, Von Pein. It's your own vile legacy.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
~another yawn~
“The authentication of the existing photographic collection ELIMINATES the possibility that any photographs that might have disappeared from the collection, either by removal or by substitution, could show anything other than what we now see. After all, there was only ONE body and the wounds in that body either show that shots were fired from the front or they don’t, no matter how many photographs are substituted or removed. Surprisingly, this obvious fact seems to have escaped the conspiracy theorists.” -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page 227 of Endnotes in "Reclaiming History"
LATER, WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
Agent Sienzant...admits to being an agent, and then turns around and libels me for agreeing with him! What an oinkwad.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
"Agent Sienzant."
LOL time.
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
"LOL time."
The most clever thing Agent Von Pein has ever said.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
"Agent Von Pein."
Half-Whitten doesn't seem to care how big a fool he makes of himself. Go figure.
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
Agent Von Pein's opinion isn't worth caring about. None of these stooges opinions are worth anything but ridicule.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Even though the "stooges' opinions" are based on the evidence in the case.
But Whitten couldn't care less where the evidence (and Oswald's own actions) lead. Just like all other Internet conspiracy clowns/(oinkwads), Whitten is going to pretend Oswald was framed until he breathes his last breath. And to hell with the evidence.
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
Baseless propaganda from Agent Von Pein, who is continuing spinning everything backwards.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
What's it like living in a topsy-turvy world full of make-believe plotters and conspiracy allegations that you know you can't prove if your life hung in the balance, Whitten? Must be awful.
By examining his own actions (and the fact he was stupid enough to keep the murder weapon on him after he shot Officer Tippit), Oswald practically confessed to all of his 1963 murder attempts. He, in fact, did confess--in his own words!--to the Edwin Walker shooting.
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
Agent Von Pein...lost his persuasive positions years ago.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Apparently Whitten is one of those CT clowns who thinks the evidence in a murder case goes out of style, or maybe it expires after 20 years or so.
IOW, conspiracy hobbyists just get bored with the actual evidence, so they invent new theories to hold their interest.
What a tribe.
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
Agent Von Pein has been promoting the thoroughly discredited Warren Report for his entire career as a statist propagandist, and has NEVER had a single FACT in his repertoire of disinformation and deceit.
DAVID VON PEIN (FIGHTING HIS PERPETUALLY WEAK BLADDER) SAID:
So, let me get this straight, Whitten....
You don't think it's a FACT that Lee Harvey Oswald fled the TSBD within minutes of the assassination, armed himself with a pistol, and fought wildly with the police in the Texas Theater?
And you don't think it's a FACT that Lee Harvey Oswald LIED about the contents of the large paper bag that he carried into the Depository Building on November 22, 1963?
Those aren't FACTS in your world? Is that correct?
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
Agent Von Pein presents his interpretations as to what I have said in an attempt to create a straw man to joust against with his flaccid lance. All part of the disingenuous agenda of a statist propagandist. Von Pein is a dedicated disinformant, with a long track record of BS on the web.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
What a lovely (non)-response by the conspiracy-happy clown!
IOW, just ignore the "FACTS" that spell out Lee Oswald's guilt, Whitten. They'll go away---because you'll just simply ignore them....just like Oliver Stone did.
E.G.,
"Oliver Stone, in his movie 'JFK', never saw fit to present for his audience's consideration one single piece of evidence that Oswald killed Kennedy! So a murder case (the Kennedy assassination) where there is an almost unprecedented amount of evidence of guilt against the killer (Oswald) is presented to millions of moviegoers as one where there wasn't one piece of evidence at all. There oughta be a law against things like this." -- Vincent T. Bugliosi; Page 1386 of "Reclaiming History: The Assassination Of President John F. Kennedy"
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
"We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, and never did. Nobody's yet been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand." -- Jesse Curry, retired police chief of Dallas, Texas
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
~yawn~
Jesse E. Curry (11/23/63)....
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
But upon further reflection Curry finally realized they had NOTHING on Oswald.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Yeah, right. When Curry said this on November 23rd --- "I think this is the man that killed the President" --- he must have been basing that opinion on nothing more than tea leaves and a Ouija board. Right, Whitten?
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
Worse than that, Curry was relying on bogus "evidence" created and planted by FBI, CIA, and moles in his own police force.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
IOW -- It was "The World Against The Patsy" in November of 1963. Right, Willy?
(Oh, my poor bladder!)
You can stop talking now, Whitten. I've garnered enough silly utterances from you in the last couple of days to pad this "Part 1150" webpage quite nicely, thanks. And that's all I wanted to do when I responded to you on August 6, 2016.
The extra tidbits obtained from Whitten's conspiracy-obsessed cranium amply help to solidify the notion that the minds of Internet CTers are not reasonable and rational ones. Thanks for aiding me in that endeavor, Willy Whitten.
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
What is it like to be a propagandist for the vile warmongering national security state, Agent Von Pein? What does it feel like to have sold your soul for filthy lucre? How do you sleep at night knowing you lie for the psychopathic monsters running this system?
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[Dale H.] Hayes has been stupid all along. Not just getting stupid. He has been stupid and gets more stupid as time goes on. Utterly duped by Sienzant, who has him under a spell. This is obvious to anyone with more that two neurons to click together.
[...]
Agent Sienzant is actually citing evidence that he is a gormless shill, a stooge for the national security state.
He has been posting such self-incriminating evidence for years now.
He is a member of the Warren Commission Cult. A group of 'true believers' in a tome of myths and lies called "the official narrative".
In a psychopathic system, the official narrative is ALWAYS a lie.
[...]
Agent Sienzant spews more of his propaganda garbage here. And this will clearly never end. He needs to continue to pull a paycheck for his stooge BS here.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Whitten must be taking pills to accelerate his Paranoia Disease. His posts during the last several days indicate he's gone completely around the bend, with no hope of returning.
It would also be difficult to be any more obnoxious than Willy Whitten (aka "Magus Maverik") has been over the last couple of weeks on this Amazon forum. But I'm sure Whitten will somehow find a way to reach new heights in highbrow-sounding obnoxiousness (aka snottiness) when he responds to this post of mine.
David Von Pein
July 10—August 10, 2016 [This forum link is no longer available.]
