COLIN CROW SAID:
So, the question is......why is CE399 so deformed when compared to Dr Fackler's bullet? i.e., it's not pristine enough!
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
I love it!
I post a picture [below] of an undeformed bullet [from Dr. Martin Fackler's tests performed in 1992] that broke a human wrist at 1100fps (with its nose perfectly intact, just like CE399)....
....and now I hear this retort from a conspiracy theorist:
"Why is CE399 so deformed when compared to Dr Fackler's bullet? It's not pristine enough!"
So, now the CTers can move the goal posts again when looking at the undeformed Fackler bullet, by claiming (incredibly) that CE399 is DEFORMED TOO MUCH to have caused all the damage it did to John B. Connally's wrist.
Colin, you'd better go have a talk with Dr. Cyril Wecht about your "It's not pristine enough" comment re: CE399. He'd love to hear that, because Dr. Wecht has always fought tooth-and-nail over the fact that CE399 is much too "pristine" to have caused Connally's bony injuries. Maybe Wecht has never seen the Fackler test bullet before.
Anyway, Colin, thanks for today's smile. Just when I think that maybe I've heard it all, I'm treated to a new twist in the JFK case....like Colin Crow saying that Commission Exhibit 399 is "not pristine enough".
I love it!
FACKLER ADDENDUM:
BTW, the reason for Fackler's bullet not being somewhat flattened on one side (like CE399) is probably due to the fact that the test bullet did not hit and break a rib bone. Here's what Dr. Alfred Olivier's test bullet looked like after striking just a "glancing blow" on one rib of a goat:
BTW #2, the Edgewood Arsenal "Wound Ballistics Of 6.5-mm. Mannlicher-Carcano Ammunition" report is very interesting reading. More conspiracy theorists should look at it. Here it is.
Every single test performed between April 1964 and October 1964 by Dr. Olivier and Dr. Dziemian at Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland is consistent with the Warren Commission's ultimate conclusions.
I.E.:
Per the Edgewood Arsenal ballistics tests with Lee Harvey Oswald's rifle, that exact rifle was capable of causing all of the wounds that were inflicted on President Kennedy and Governor Connally on 11/22/63.
Quoting directly from the Edgewood report:
"Experiments were performed with the 6.5-mm Mannlicher-Carcano assassination rifle, serial no. C2766, and 6.5-mm Western Cartridge Company, lot WCC 6000, Mannlicher-Carcano ball ammunition to reproduce the conditions occurring at the time of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on 22 November 1963. The results indicated that the wounds sustained by the President and by Governor Connally, including the massive head wound of the President, could be produced by the above type of bullet and rifle." -- From the Edgewood Arsensal Report, Page 3
COLIN CROW SAID:
David, I was just playing around. Sorry, couldn't resist.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
OK. Fair enough. But with many conspiracy believers, it's often very difficult to tell "tongue-in-cheek" remarks from "dead serious" ones. :)
COLIN CROW SAID:
Good work on the Fritz initials, by the way. What did you make of Audrey [Bell's] audio to the ARRB about the fragments?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Audrey Bell's interview (linked HERE and HERE) with the ARRB's Doug Horne took place on March 20, 1997, more than 33 years after the events she was trying to remember. So that fact must always be taken into account.
But Audrey readily admits that she wrote all kinds of stuff on the outside of the "foreign body" envelope that appears in Commission Exhibit 842. She immediately recognized her writing on that envelope when the ARRB showed it to her in 1997.
So I'm not really sure how far down "Conspiracy Lane" Robert Harris can go with the idea that CE842 is a fraud or a fake document of some kind. Bob obviously wants to believe that there was a SECOND envelope similar to CE842 that existed on the day of the assassination, with this never-found second envelope evidently containing a whole bullet that Harris wants to believe fell out of John Connally's leg in the operating room.
Such a musical envelopes game is, of course, pure speculation on Mr. Harris' part, because there is no credible evidence whatsoever that any whole bullet was retrieved in the operating room and then placed in an envelope. It's nothing but the fanciful wishful thinking of a conspiracy theorist. (IMHO.)
GARRY PUFFER SAID:
NONE of the evidence actually points to Oswald. What seems to point to Oswald could better be interpreted as FRAMING him. Such evidence would look as real as possible, in theory. .... How is it that *you* are able to distinguish evidence planted to make someone look guilty from evidence that genuinely shows a person is guilty?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
What a crock. The same dumb "Everything's Fake To Frame The Patsy" argument can easily be made at EVERY criminal trial in every courtroom in the USA since the beginning of court trials. (And it is an argument that has been made at many trials, i.e., the O.J. Simpson debacle.)
Therefore, why even bother to introduce ANY evidence at ANY trial? All the silly defense has to do is say to the jury....
ALL OF THIS EVIDENCE HAS BEEN PLANTED. WE CAN'T *KNOW* IT WASN'T PLANTED. SO THE DEFENDANT WALKS.
And a solid "chain of possession" doesn't keep the evidence from being fake. Because the "chain" could be faked just as easily as the evidence itself, right?
Therefore, per Puffer's rules, NO case in history can possibly ever be solved, because all the evidence in all cases could have conceivably been faked.
(And CTers say LNers are lost sheeple?? Oy vey.)
David Von Pein
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