JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 963)


VIA A DISCUSSION AT YouTube....

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Hi Paul,

Thanks for your message and questions. I'll try to answer them as best I can below.


PAUL SAID:

O.K., SBT. .... Please explain the following: You say part of the proof is that both people respond at the same time to being hit. Wouldn't physics, let alone common sense, suggest that they should respond at different times and they could not possibly be both hit at the same time?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here. It seems to me as if you're saying this: Since we can see the two victims reacting at the same time, this must mean they were hit by two separate bullets instead of just one.

Anyway, if you look at the various SBT clips I have provided (including the one below), you can easily see that those two men (Kennedy and Connally) are definitely reacting at the same time just after Frame 224 of the Zapruder home movie:



Most people apparently never take the time to focus on the movements of the two victims, IN UNISON, just after Z224. Normally, the researchers seem to want to focus on only one victim at a time. I guess it is kind of difficult to focus on TWO things at once (i.e., the two victims), but it can be done by focusing your attention between the two men. I have found this better enables me to see what's happening with both victims at once.


PAUL SAID:

Further, you also say that Connally only reacts when his wrist is hit (being broken into at least 7 pieces). This guy must be somehow superhuman, because using your own theory, he DOESN'T react to the entry wound in his back, he DOESN'T react to his 5th rib being hit, he DOESN'T react to his lung being lacerated, and finally he DOESN'T react to the bullet exiting his body! Sounds like you are being very very selective with what you are promoting as fact.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Not at all, Paul. If you have seen all of my articles that I posted at my "Single-Bullet Theory" blog location (HERE), you would have seen where I discuss all of John Connally's reactions in some detail. Pay particular attention to the Z224-Z225 clip below (for the initial INVOLUNTARY reactions on the part of Governor Connally):




PAUL SAID:

I totally agree with your argument regarding the high-powered weapon to be used to assassinate a chief of state. So this begs the question: why would Oswald buy one of the most unreliable rifles ever made? Surely he would have some knowledge of rifles after being in the Marines.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Don't fall into that trap, Paul. Oswald's rifle was not the best rifle in the world, that's true. But it hardly was a total piece of crap either. In fact, the FBI firearms expert Robert Frazier said that Oswald's Carcano was a good choice for an assassination weapon.

Here's what Frazier told the Warren Commission on that subject in 1964
(at 3 H 413):

MELVIN EISENBERG -- "Now, based upon the characteristics of Exhibit 139 [Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle], and the ammunition it employs, and based upon your experience with the weapon, would you consider it to have been a good choice for the commission of a crime such as the assassination?"

ROBERT A. FRAZIER -- "Yes, sir; I would."

MR. EISENBERG -- "Can you explain that?"

MR. FRAZIER -- "Yes. Any rifle, regardless of its caliber, would be a good choice if it would shoot accurately."

MR. EISENBERG -- "And did you find this shot accurately?"

MR. FRAZIER -- "Yes, sir."


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I'll also add this additional fact here:

Oswald didn't have a whole lot of money when he purchased his rifle in March 1963. So he certainly couldn't afford a very expensive weapon. So he bought a second-hand war surplus rifle from a mail-order house.


PAUL SAID:

Further, why wouldn't he [Oswald] at the very least buy a rifle with a clip, so he can fire off possibly more shots and in quicker succession?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Oswald's rifle did have a clip, Paul. The clip is part of the evidence now at the National Archives. It is Commission Exhibit No. 575 (seen here and here).


PAUL SAID:

Your point [is a] fair claim [when I asked Paul: "Where are all the other bullets?"] Let me ask you exactly the same question. Where are the other 2 bullets you say Oswald fired? If it is unrealistic to have not found any [of] the CT's bullets, then it is fair for the Lone Assassin purveyors to produce the other 2.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Only one of Oswald's three bullets was not found, Paul. And that was the bullet from his first shot, which missed the whole limousine and everybody in it. That bullet (IMO) is the one that resulted in the slight injury to James Tague, who was standing by the Triple Underpass on Main Street.

But Oswald's two bullets that made contact with the two victims were found and recovered and are in evidence -- CE399 and the two large fragments from the head shot that were found in the front seat of the limousine (CE567 and CE569).

Most conspiracy theorists think that CE399 (the "stretcher bullet") didn't hit either victim on November 22, 1963. I, however, vehemently disagree with such a conclusion. And I think I make a good case for CE399 being a legitimate bullet connected with the wounding of both JFK and Connally in the articles HERE.


PAUL SAID:

Connally [is] still holding onto his hat. How is this possible if his wrist is virtually shattered?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Governor Connally held that hat ALL THE WAY to the hospital, Paul.

So we know for a fact that Connally definitely COULD have still held his hat after his right wrist was broken. Have a look at what Nellie Connally said about the "hat" in this article.


PAUL SAID:

The biggest problem of the SBT is that you and other "kooks" (using your word) cannot explain how a bullet that has made as much damage as this one is left virtually intact. Forget theories, forget physics, just use common sense. This is simply impossible, even the WC couldn't replicate this with all their experts.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

But the Warren Commission really never TRIED to replicate the damage of Bullet CE399. The WC did various tests with Oswald's ammunition, that's true enough. But they never did the ULTIMATE "SBT" TEST, which would be to shoot a Carcano bullet like CE399 through TWO mock victims in order to simulate ALL of the conditions of the real CE399.

Instead, the Warren Commission shot bullets SEPARATELY into goat ribcages and human wrist bones. So, naturally, those bullets were bound to be more damaged than CE399. That's common sense too, Paul.

It wasn't until 2004 that we finally got a good realistic simulation of CE399, when the Discovery Channel tried to duplicate the path of the so-called "magic bullet" by firing a Carcano missile through two simulated torsos. And that test bullet took a path that generally mimicked the path of the real CE399, and the test bullet emerged in ONE UNFRAGMENTED PIECE. Here's that test bullet:



The test bullet pictured above isn't quite as undeformed as CE399, I don't deny that fact. But one possible reason for the extra flattening of that test bullet could be the fact that the test bullet actually struck and broke one additional rib in the mock-up of Governor Connally. The test resulted in two broken ribs in the "Connally" torso; while the real John Connally only suffered one broken rib on 11/22/63.

Plus: In 1992, ballistics expert Dr. Martin Fackler fired a Carcano bullet like Oswald's directly into a human wrist bone at a reduced muzzle velocity of 1,100 feet per second (which was probably even a little faster than Oswald's bullet was traveling when it hit Connally's wrist on 11/22/63), and Fackler's bullet ended up in perfect condition. It was totally undeformed.

Here is what Dr. Fackler's test bullet looked like after striking a human wrist at 1100fps:




PAUL SAID:

Cheers,
Paul

P.S., Whilst we are on different sides of the fence, I will say you have given me food for thought though. :-)


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Thank you, Paul.

I hope you'll read some more of my Internet articles concerning the way President Kennedy died. I think if you do, you might just discover that the people who have spent the last several decades promoting a conspiracy in the JFK murder case are the ones you should really distrust and disbelieve, instead of the Warren Commission.

Best regards to you,
David Von Pein
May 20, 2010