Part 1374 of my "JFK Assassination Arguments" series includes a variety of my posts and comments covering the period of March 1—31, 2024. To read the entire forum discussion from which my own comments have been extracted, click on the "Full Discussion" logo at the bottom of each individual segment.
ALAN FORD SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
The GIF clip below shows that Officer Baker was certainly moving toward the curb, with his shadow "climbing the curb" (so to speak). And this "curb-climbing shadow" fact is occurring directly in front of the steps to the Depository, which is perfectly consistent with Baker's never-wavering claim that he went straight from his motorcycle to the front entrance of the TSBD.
I can't recall who created this clip, so I don't know who inserted all the colored lines on it. But it wasn't me. Click to enlarge:
Related Discussion From April 2016 ----> Click Here.
David Von Pein
March 1, 2024
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SANDY LARSEN SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
"Any reasonable person can obviously see how utterly impossible it is to "connect" all of these unconnected threads of SHEER HAPPENSTANCE regarding [Ruth] Paine, [Roy] Truly, [Wesley] Frazier, and [Linnie Mae] Randle in order to weave the magical type of "Oswald Was Planted In The TSBD" plot that conspiracists imagine took place. But just because nobody has yet been able to come close to weaving that magic carpet of conspiracy involving all of those innocent people (like Frazier, Paine, and Truly), it won't stop conspiracy theorists from pretending that a massive pre-assassination "plot" involving those very people really did occur in 1963." -- David Von Pein; July 1, 2008
More HERE.
David Von Pein
March 1, 2024
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VINCE PALAMARA SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Good Lord, what a bunch of malarkey! (And TWO make-believe frontal head shots yet! Geesh. What a fantasy tale.)
Now, back to reality.....
"Clearly, from the autopsy X-rays and photographs and the observations of the autopsy surgeons, the exit wound and defect was not in the occipital area. There was no defect or wound to the rear of Kennedy's head other than the entrance wound in the upper right part of the head." -- Dr. Michael Baden; January 8, 2000
And....
"It is the firm conclusion of the [HSCA FPP] panel members...that beyond all reasonable medical certainty, there is no bullet perforation of entrance any place on the skull [of President Kennedy] other than the single one in the cowlick...and we find no evidence to support anything but a single gunshot wound of entrance in the back of the President's head." -- Dr. Michael Baden; 1978
PAT SPEER SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
But it's not just Baden. It's the entire 9-person Forensic Pathology Panel which came to this conclusion unanimously:
"It is the firm conclusion of the panel members...that beyond all reasonable medical certainty, there is no bullet perforation of entrance any place on the skull other than the single one in the cowlick...and we find no evidence to support anything but a single gunshot wound of entrance in the back of the President's head." -- Dr. Michael Baden; 1978
David Von Pein
March 10-11, 2024
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DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
On March 22, 2024, Francois Carlier e-mailed me the link to the video below, which contains Francois' recent interview with Pat Speer. Thank you, Francois, for sending it. I enjoyed watching it. Good stuff.
I've had my share of battles with Pat Speer over the years (most of which are archived HERE), but I like him and I enjoy talking with him. He's one of my favorite "CTers" on the Internet.
(BTW, Francois, my last name is pronounced Von PINE.) 😇
PAT SPEER SAID THIS.
SANDY LARSEN SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Marrion Baker did, of course, mention his encounter with Lee Oswald in his
first-day affidavit. He merely got the floor number wrong. The "second floor" portion of the encounter was confirmed by Roy Truly in Truly's 11/23 affidavit.
Lots more Lunchroom Encounter Denial by a variety of conspiracy theorists can be enjoyed HERE.
SANDY LARSEN SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
And, as usual, you too are also going to ignore Roy Truly's "It Was Oswald" confirmation.
Tell us, Sandy: Why are you so convinced Roy S. Truly was a liar and a CIA operative? What possible (good) reason could anyone have for treating Mr. Truly like a criminal?
BTW, Marrion Baker never said he saw anyone drinking a Coke in the TSBD on 11/22. The crossed-out "Coke" reference in his Sept. '64 statement has a perfectly logical explanation ---> Oswald, Baker, Truly, And Coca-Cola.
SANDY LARSEN SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
And you surely are aware, Sandy, that Oswald himself confirmed the fact that his encounter with a policeman after the assassination occurred on the 2nd floor and in the lunchroom. Both Captain Fritz and FBI agent James Bookhout wrote in their respective reports that Oswald had confirmed the "second floor" location of the encounter.
So that means, according to the members of the increasingly popular "The Second-Floor Encounter Never Happened" club, that either Oswald was himself lying about where the encounter took place or that Fritz and Bookhout were lying in their reports concerning some of the things they supposedly heard coming out of Oswald's mouth.
I think you, Sandy, have chosen to believe the latter option, which adds two more people to your list of cover-up operatives with respect to this Lunchroom Encounter topic.
Like you said above, Sandy --- Wow...incredible!
DAVID VON PEIN ALSO SAID THIS.
SANDY LARSEN SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Yes, of course THAT portion of Oswald's statement (about eating lunch after the shooting) is, indeed, nonsense. It's just one of the many lies LHO told after his arrest.
But other things he said to Fritz and Bookhout were not lies---like the fact he had an encounter with a policeman (Baker) in the lunchroom on the 2nd floor after the shooting. That was, of course, true.
But Oswald then decided to add the lie about eating his lunch (post-assassination) on the first floor, and also the lie about standing around outside for "5 or 10 minutes" with Bill Shelley, which would have been impossible for him to do since we know he hopped aboard McWatters' bus at about 12:40. So he couldn't have been out in front of the TSBD shooting the breeze with Shelley at that very same time.
Ergo, some of the things Oswald told Fritz and Bookhout and Hosty were, indeed, truthful, but some were provable falsehoods.
SANDY LARSEN SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
One of the biggest liars in the history of Presidential assassinations (Lee H. Oswald) is treated like a snow-white truth-teller by Mr. Larsen.
Absolutely incredible. (And hilarious.)
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/Liar Oswald (Part 1)
SANDY LARSEN SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
But even if Oswald had said he ate lunch before the assassination occurred, that too would have been a lie, of course, because LHO didn't eat lunch at all on 11/22. He was much too busy upstairs on the sixth floor.
SANDY LARSEN SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Yeah, you're right. Just because every scrap of evidence points directly at this guy named Oswald, why would I even begin to suspect him (of all people) of any wrongdoing?
The new policy endorsed by many conspiracy believers seems to be:
The More Evidence There Is Against Oswald,
The More Innocent He Becomes.
A very strange policy indeed.
CORY SANTOS SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Yes, Cory, I think that's likely.
Here's what I said about this matter in 2019 in this Education Forum discussion....
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"Even if the handwritten notes were written by James Hosty (and they probably were; I'm not arguing that they weren't), then IMO it's just another in a long list of lies being uttered by Lee Oswald after he was arrested.
My goodness, are LNers supposed to now fold up their tents and go home whimpering because another lie has been discovered coming from the lips of Lee Harvey Oswald (assuming LHO actually did say those exact words about going outside to watch the "P. Parade")?
LNers didn't fold their tents after seeing that Oswald told Fritz he was on the first floor (and not the sixth) at the time of JFK's murder. So why would LNers now decide that this new revelation discovered by Malcolm Blunt in the National Archives is revealing something TRUTHFUL being spoken by Oswald? That'd be crazy.
So, nothing's changed for Lone Assassin believers. Nothing at all. The hard evidence of Oswald's guilt in both the JFK and Tippit murders doesn't suddenly stop being in existence just because of one additional lie being told by the assassin himself. To think otherwise is to be mired in the "Prayer Man" garbage, which is where "Wishful Thinking" and a reference to "P. Parade" will now merge to provide the "PM" disciples with something to make them feel that their fantasy about Oswald being on the TSBD steps has now turned into reality. But, at most, all that's been "discovered" is just one more lie being told by a World Class Liar named Oswald."
-- DVP; February 2019
[Later....]
"My best guess is: I think James Hosty's "went outside to watch P. Parade" note was very likely referring to a point in time that was AFTER the assassination, not before (even though Hosty used the words "P[residential] Parade"). That note is likely referring to the "out with Bill Shelley in front" situation (which appears in Captain Fritz' notes).
And that "out with Shelley" chronology, according to James Bookhout's solo FBI report that appears on Page 619 of the Warren Report, is clearly something that occurred AFTER the assassination and AFTER Oswald's encounter with the policeman on the second floor.
With respect to why there are two separate FBI reports regarding some of this same information, well, I think it's quite possible that the two FBI agents involved in the first report (Hosty and Bookhout), after filing that first report (dictated on Nov. 23), realized that a relevant and important piece of information (the 2nd-floor lunchroom encounter) had not been included in that first joint Hosty/Bookhout report. Therefore, the necessity arose for a second report to be written which would include the information about Oswald being stopped by the police on the second floor (which became the "solo Bookhout" report that was dictated a day later, on Nov. 24).
But please keep this in mind --- the Warren Commission didn't HIDE or DESTROY either of those two FBI reports. The Commission didn't conceal their existence from the public. Both of those reports—warts, omissions, and all—are readily available for anyone to view and can easily be found right there in the Warren Commission's final report, just a few pages apart in Appendix XI." -- DVP; February 2019
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The full 2019 discussion is archived HERE.
GREG DOUDNA SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Hi Greg,
Regarding James Hosty's "parade" note and Thomas Kelley's report being compatible and not contradictory....
Yes, I think that certainly is possible, based mainly on my belief (which I posted above via a replay of my 2019 comments) that Hosty's "Presidential Parade" note is almost certainly (IMO) referring to the "Out Front With Shelley" timeline that also appears in another FBI document---James Bookhout's solo 11/22/63 report.
When comparing the Hosty note with Bookhout's solo report, we can see that the chronology of the following three things perfectly blend together and match each other, indicating that Hosty's "parade" reference is, indeed, referring to a time that was AFTER the shooting had taken place and not DURING the assassination or BEFORE the shooting:
1. Oswald going to the 2nd floor to get a Coke (which we know, via the extra details revealed in the solo Bookhout report, occurred AFTER the shooting and at the same time Oswald encountered Officer Baker in the lunchroom).
2. Oswald then going to the 1st floor to eat lunch.
3. Oswald then going outside.
I created the photo below so that a direct comparison between the two documents in question can easily be done....and, in my opinion, the words "Then went outside to watch P. Parade" are meant to convey the same meaning as "He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman Bill Shelley". I think this conclusion becomes an obvious one to make after taking a look at the chronology in Bookhout's 11/22 solo report.
There's also this excerpt below from another FBI report, which totally negates the idea that Lee Oswald was standing outside on the front steps of the Book Depository Building when the assassination of JFK was occurring:
GREG DOUDNA SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Regarding the questions concerning Oswald's Carcano rifle....
Whether or not the rifle's scope had to be "sighted in" after being reassembled is something that I don't think has been proven one way or the other. And it's largely a moot point when we consider that Oswald might very well have utilized the rifle's iron sights instead of using the scope on November 22nd.
We can never know which method he used, but the iron sights are certainly an option that cannot be ignored.
I myself am of the opinion that Oswald very likely did try to utilize the 4-power telescope on his rifle for the first shot he fired at the President, but when that shot went wild and missed the entire limousine and everyone in it, he then quickly switched to using the gun's iron sights for his second and third (successful) shots.
It's possible, IMO, that Oswald abandoned the scope upon realizing (after his first missed shot) that the cheap four-power telescope did, indeed, require some readjusting after the rifle had been broken down and then reassembled.
But, as I said, we'll never know for sure which method of sighting Oswald used in Dealey Plaza. It will forever remain one of the several "unknowables" in the JFK case.
As an addendum to the "Assembled vs. Disassembled" topic, allow me to offer up these remarks from a few years back (taken from a lengthy discussion I had with David Lifton concerning the rifle and curtain rods and, of all things, fishing poles).
SANDY LARSEN SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
It wasn't the HSCA who first noticed and documented and reported on the fact that the autopsy doctors were wrong about the location of JFK's head entry wound....it was the Clark Panel ten years earlier. The HSCA merely confirmed the obviousness of the "cowlick" entry location:
"There is an elliptical penetrating wound of the scalp situated near the midline and high above the hairline. The position of this wound corresponds to the hole in the skull seen in the lateral X-ray film #2. .... On one of the lateral films [X-rays] of the skull (#2), a hole measuring approximately 8 mm. in diameter on the outer surface of the skull and as much as 20 mm. on the internal surface can be seen in profile approximately 100 mm. above the external occipital protuberance. The bone of the lower edge of the hole is depressed." -- Via the 1968 Clark Panel Report
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From a 2015 discussion....
PAT SPEER SAID -- There is a red oval in this photo that resembles a gunshot wound. But it was not the bullet wound identified at the autopsy.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID -- Yeah, yeah. Sure, Pat. That's why there's a ruler up next to the red spot. And that's why the red spot is the ONLY thing in that picture which comes even close to resembling a bullet hole. And that's why the HSCA and the Clark Panel BOTH confirmed via multiple measurements (in both the SCALP and the SKULL) that the entry wound on the back of President Kennedy's head was located approximately 100mm. above the EOP.
David Von Pein
March 22, 2024
March 23-28, 2024
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DENNY ZARTMAN SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
And to believe the police actually did find a Mauser in the Book Depository instead of Lee Oswald's Carcano is to believe the plotters who were attempting to frame Oswald for JFK's murder* must have had the collective I.Q. of a box of broken toothpicks, as they apparently thought they could frame Oswald by planting a Mauser in the TSBD even though they had to know that their designated patsy owned a Mannlicher-Carcano. (Brilliant move there, huh?)
* And a huge number of conspiracy theorists all around the globe do, of course, hold the wholly unsupportable belief that Oswald was, indeed, being set up as the proverbial patsy on 11/22/63 AD.
http://DVP's JFK Archives/Mauser Or Carcano?
NICK BARTETZKO SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Bottom Line (re: the rifle found in the TSBD) --- It was a Carcano, as
THE ALYEA FILM plainly illustrates (see photos below).
David Von Pein
March 30-31, 2024
