BEN HOLMES SAID:
What does the EVIDENCE say is the time that JFK's body arrived at Bethesda?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Quoting Dr. Humes (Warren Commission Testimony @ 2 H 349):
"The President's body was received at 25 minutes before 8."
Quoting Dr. Boswell (ARRB Testimony):
"I think the body arrived around 8:00."
And here's a "Common Sense Break" from 2013:
"[David] Lifton doesn't think Humes and Boswell altered the wounds, which means [according to Lifton's timeline of when JFK's body actually arrived at Bethesda] they must have been altered between 6:00 PM and 6:35 PM. And when allowing travel time from an airport in Washington to Bethesda, then how much actual "body altering" time was available to the covert surgeons on 11/22/63? Tell us, David, WHEN was the altering of the President's body done via your super-tight (and impossible) timeline? When? And where? In the hearse on the way to Bethesda perhaps?
You don't want to answer those perfectly logical and reasonable "timeline" questions--mainly because you cannot answer them in a reasonable manner. So you'll just ignore the impossibly tight timeline during which you say all of this stuff was done to President Kennedy's body.
Any casket that arrived at Bethesda Naval Hospital at 6:35 PM EST quite obviously DID NOT and COULD NOT have contained the body of John F. Kennedy. Any such 6:35 casket entry must have been associated with some other case entirely. Especially if it involved a plain "shipping casket".
Anyone with any common sense at all would be able to figure this out. But David Lifton has, instead, decided to believe in the most ridiculous scenario imaginable--one that has JFK's body being deliberately placed by conspirators into a casket that doesn't even begin to resemble the casket that the plotters took JFK out of. This gives new meaning to the term "Brain Dead JFK Conspirators". And yet an obviously intelligent man named David S. Lifton swallows this crap whole. Remarkable." -- DVP; June 20, 2013
DAVID VON PEIN ALSO SAID:
I found a Lincoln, Nebraska, newspaper dated November 23, 1963, and on page 3 of that paper (pictured below), there's an article written by United Press International which says:
"The President's body arrived at the Bethesda hospital shortly after 6 p.m. CST."
6:00 PM CST is, of course, 7:00 PM EST in the Washington, D.C., area.
And that same UPI article also says the following:
"The hearse moved slowly into the large hospital grounds, at 5:53 p.m. [CST; which is 6:53 PM EST]. But 20 minutes was consumed in the stop at the front entrance and the drive around the building."
This means, according to that UPI article, that President Kennedy's body was still inside the casket inside the gray Navy ambulance as late as 7:13 PM EST, which is a timeline that aligns itself fairly closely with the testimony of Dr. James Humes, who told the Warren Commission that "The president's body was received at 25 minutes before 8". [2 H 349]
Here's the 11/23/63 newspaper I found (see the two areas I've highlighted in blue):
DAVID VON PEIN LATER SAID:
And here is another newspaper from 11/23/63, which includes a UPI article stating that JFK's body arrived at Bethesda "shortly after 7 p.m. EST"....
BEN HOLMES SAID:
Every time someone gives evidence for the time JFK's body arrived at Bethesda, and refuses to mention the earliest written memo, they've simply lied by omission.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
A first-day account from UPI that mentions a specific to-the-minute time like 5:53 PM (6:53 EST) is a report that's probably pretty darn accurate.
And then when we add on the "20 minutes was consumed in the stop at the front entrance and the drive around the building", we're up to 7:13 PM EST, with JFK still resting inside the Navy ambulance.
Conspiracy theorists, though, will always prefer the dramatic cloak-&-dagger options of multiple casket entries and "pre-autopsy autopsies", regardless of how utterly implausible—and impossible—those options are here in the real world.
DAVID VON PEIN ALSO SAID:
In addition to the UPI articles I mentioned above, there's also the November 30, 1963, written report of Secret Service Agent Paul Landis [Commission Document No. 1095], in which Landis states that President Kennedy's body arrived at Bethesda Naval Hospital at "approximately 6:55 p.m.", which is a time that almost perfectly matches the time provided in the United Press International newspaper articles. Agent Landis, by the way, rode in the front seat of the Navy ambulance during the drive from Andrews to Bethesda. So he was actually there when the ambulance drove onto the Bethesda property on the evening of 11/22/63.
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