CHRIS SAID:
There is absolutely NO evidence that Oswald was in the 'nest' at 12:30pm [on 11/22/63]. And there is absolutely NO evidence that Oswald was holding the MC [Mannlicher-Carcano] rifle and firing it into Dealey Plaza. None.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Nothing could be further from the truth.
But Chris doesn't care. He'll continue to repeat the "There's No Evidence..." crap until the cows come a-knockin'.
Pathetic.
CHRIS SAID:
What's pathetic is your complete inability to argue a point. You have lots of opinion about me, but nothing that can be used in a decent argument for your beliefs. I put out cites and links. Try it sometime and stop with the ad hominem attacks. If you think I'm wrong about there not being any evidence that puts [a] rifle in Oswald's hands and puts him in the 6th floor window, then show it. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke with opinions against my facts.
Go ahead and list your evidence that Oswald killed JFK from the 6th floor window with the MC rifle, and I'll give you facts that will blast your list to hell. The gauntlet is thrown down. Face up or run away.
Your choice.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
If you really and truly believe this statement of yours....
"There is absolutely NO evidence that Oswald was in the 'nest' at 12:30pm. And there is absolutely NO evidence that Oswald was holding the MC rifle and firing it into Dealey Plaza. None."
....then I feel sorry for you and your investigative skills, because they are very poor indeed.
It seems that the only possible thing that would convince you that Lee Harvey Oswald fired the shots from the Depository's 6th floor would be a 4K hi-def video shot with a zoom lens (to capture every one of LHO's nose hairs) as he was pulling the trigger.
Or would even that suffice in your CT world of ever-present fakery and skullduggery?
No, we don't have that 4K hi-def video of Oswald's nose hairs as he was assassinating JFK, but we do have lots of other things that all ADD UP to Mr. Oswald's obvious guilt....including a witness whom you and other CTers seem to make a living out of totally avoiding and/or attempting to make out to be a liar---Howard Leslie Brennan.
...And then there's THE RIFLE (which was OSWALD'S and was found on the sixth floor of the Depository—the same sixth floor where THE ASSASSIN was shooting at JFK).
...And there are the 3 spent shells in the Sniper's Nest--fired positively from OSWALD'S RIFLE.
...And there are the two bullet fragments in JFK's car that were fired from OSWALD'S RIFLE. And I'd still like to get an honest reply from a conspiracy theorist to this question that I asked many years ago----
Who is MORE LIKELY to have used Oswald's C2766 rifle on ANY GIVEN DAY (including 11/22/63): Lee Harvey Oswald or ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE WORLD?
...And there are the multiple prints of OSWALD'S located on two of the boxes in the Sniper's Nest (exactly where THE ASSASSIN was located when he was shooting President Kennedy). Very convenient and handy for the "Patsy Framers", wasn't it?
...And there's that pesky paper bag in the Sniper's Nest that you (no doubt) think was planted after the shooting. It was an EMPTY bag with OSWALD'S prints on it and fibers in it consistent with the blanket that was used to hold OSWALD'S RIFLE in Ruth Paine's garage. (Again, very convenient evidence for those very lucky Patsy Framers, huh? Or was all that stuff linking the paper bag to OSWALD---the prints and the fibers---all manufactured from whole cloth by those super efficient plotters too?)
...And then there are OSWALD'S lies that he fed to the police for two days after his arrest. Or don't you think Oswald told ANY lies at all on November 22-23, 1963, Chris? Not even the lie about those "curtain rods" that nobody ever found?
And there's so much more too (linked below)....
But, despite the above laundry list, we're supposed to believe this moronic utterance authored by Chris....
"There is absolutely NO evidence that Oswald was in the 'nest' at 12:30pm. And there is absolutely NO evidence that Oswald was holding the MC rifle and firing it into Dealey Plaza. None."
Yeah, right.
And Jack Ruby was innocent too, right?
CHRIS SAID:
False! I not only do not avoid Brennan, I leap in and discredit him with ease. And I would think a supposed historian like yourself saving up JFK memorabilia would know that Brennan admitted that he saw Oswald on TV twice before he went down to the lineup. He also admitted that a detective at the lineup told him in advance what position Oswald was in the lineup!!
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Brennan, IMO, gave a perfectly logical and reasonable explanation for why he failed to positively identify Oswald at the police lineup. You know what that explanation is, but you just don't want to believe it. Isn't that the truth of the matter, Chris? Because if Howard Brennan WASN'T A LIAR, then Oswald HAS been "positively identified" as President Kennedy's assassin by an eyewitness.
REPLAY....
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Who is MORE LIKELY to have used Oswald's C2766 rifle on ANY GIVEN DAY (including 11/22/63): Lee Harvey Oswald or ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE WORLD?
CHRIS SAID:
Since he was a 'patsy', it could be anyone that helped to set him up. All they had to do was convince him to bring in the rifle and they would do the rest. So a CT has easily answered your question, so please don't pretend you didn't get an answer, even if you don't like it.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
You didn't answer my question, Chris. So don't pretend you did. I asked who was MORE LIKELY to use Oswald's rifle on any given day--Oswald himself or some other person? (Key word there being "More".)
You never answered that question at all. Want to try again?
CHRIS SAID:
Oswald worked there in the TSBD, and it could have been any day that month that Oswald was looking for a particular set of books and shifted them around to find what he was looking for. There was also a print of Mac Wallace there too. And of course many will say the print was false, and the print expert was discredited. But they kind of have to say something.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Yeah, kind of like CTers always feeling compelled to give the pat answer of "He worked there" when confronted with the fact that multiple fingerprints and palmprints of OSWALD'S were found in the very same Sniper's Nest WHERE JFK'S KILLER WAS LOCATED ON NOVEMBER 22, 1963.
Here's what I said ten years ago when arguing with Rob Caprio about the subject of the box prints:
[Quote On:]
"The LHO prints on the SN boxes are not (themselves) conclusive proof of Oswald's guilt, true. But when placing those prints (and the critical, key LOCATIONS of where those prints were found and on WHAT SPECIFIC BOXES) next to all of the other "LHO Was Here" evidence that is piled against the door, those box prints of Oswald's become more significant, in that those prints are CORROBORATIVE OF OTHER "OSWALD" EVIDENCE that was found in the Sniper's Nest.
It's beyond me how anyone can completely dismiss those multiple LHO prints (which are prints that were found on two boxes DEEP INSIDE the assassin's Sniper's Nest) with the typical three-word CTer retort of "He worked there".
The "he worked there" response that we always hear from conspiracy theorists is a weak retort with respect to the fingerprints on the boxes, IMO, considering WHAT ELSE was also found under that sixth-floor window on November 22nd."
-- DVP; November 18, 2007
CHRIS SAID:
Yep, I agree that there was a paper bag that could be used to smuggle a rifle into the TSBD away from the eyes of a supervisor, so he wouldn't get angry at a worker doing something else on the job.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Once again we're treated to Chris inventing scenarios in order to clean the skirts of "Patsy" Oswald.
But isn't the "Oswald Shot Kennedy" scenario much more reasonable and logical here, Chris? Why invent some alternate theory about Oswald wanting to smuggle his rifle into the building, when a much more reasonable explanation is right there to work with --- i.e., Oswald wanted to use that rifle he was smuggling in to shoot the President (and hence the reason LHO made up the "curtain rod" lie that he twice told to Buell Frazier)?
Is the idea of Oswald committing the assassination with his own weapon such an unpalatable idea to you, Chris, that you must keep inventing alternate scenarios that make much less sense when compared to the sum total of "Oswald Is Guilty" evidence which is piled up in this case?
CHRIS SAID:
When a guy that is grabbed under these circumstances after realizing he was a patsy, he would certainly lie to save his butt, knowing he was a 'patsy'. Lying doesn't necessarily prove that someone is guilty of something. Ask Trump Jr. about that.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
But telling this many lies to the police after he was arrested sure doesn't provide me with any confidence whatsoever that Oswald was suddenly telling the truth when he told this whopper to the press on live television --- "I didn't shoot anybody, no sir."
STUPID STATEMENT REPRISE....
CHRIS SAID:
There is absolutely NO evidence that Oswald was in the 'nest' at 12:30pm. And there is absolutely NO evidence that Oswald was holding the MC rifle and firing it into Dealey Plaza. None.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Then why did the Dallas Police Department, prior to midnight on 11/22/63, officially charge Oswald with the murder of John F. Kennedy?
Did the DPD have a habit of CHARGING A PERSON WITH THE MURDER OF ANOTHER PERSON without having ANY evidence whatsoever to back up that charge?
Perry, your witness....
David Von Pein
July 15-17, 2017
