DILLON RANKINE SAID:
~~~ Bill O'Reilly's JFK Assassination Lie ~~~
The title may mislead members of this forum as I am not talking about his entire book, with every page filled with lies.
No, I'm taking about his statements regarding the death of Oswald associate George de Mohrenschildt as O'Reilly claims that he was at de Mohrenschildt's front door and heard the sound of the shotgun which took de Mohrenschildt's life.
Since O'Reilly is a LNer, he either needs to pretend that the evidence for conspiracy doesn't exist or simply lie about supporting evidence for the "Lone-Gunman" theory, like Gerald Posner.
One thing that LNers do is claim that de Mohrenschildt committed suicide in an attempt to disprove the "Killing of Witnesses" theory. O'Reilly claims to be at
de Mohrenschildt's door when he heard a shot, but he says no one broke into
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Following all this controversy about Bill O'Reilly's lie concerning George DeMohrenschildt (which is a falsehood that has been proven to be a lie by way of this telephone call), I wanted to refresh my memory a little bit about DeMohrenschildt's alleged suicide, and I also wanted to refresh my memory about DeMohrenschildt's mental condition during the weeks and months leading up to his death in March 1977.
And the place I always go to first in order to "refresh" my memory on everything concerning the JFK case is Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History". (What better place is there to go?) And, as usual, Vincent's book didn't disappoint.
If the following book excerpts don't convince people that George DeMohrenschildt was—at the very least—a mentally disturbed individual throughout the years 1976 and early 1977, then those people will probably never be convinced of anything.
It's pretty much impossible to believe that DeMohrenschildt was murdered after reading about all of the sources shown below (including his own wife and daughter) that say he was on the brink of committing suicide for at least a year prior to his death—and that he had, in fact, attempted suicide four separate times in the year 1976 alone (which means he tried to kill himself before the HSCA was even formed).
Here are the relevant excerpts from Mr. Bugliosi's book....
"The Palm Beach County sheriff's office, which investigated de Mohrenschildt's death, concluded he died "by his own hand." .... The conspiracy theorists find
de Mohrenschildt's suicide highly suspicious (many suspect he was actually murdered), but they don't go on to say why—they can't because no conspiratorial inference can be drawn.
Neither the Warren Commission nor the HSCA ever considered de Mohrenschildt a suspect in the assassination. Even if they did, why wouldn't simply telling the truth and denying guilt to an HSCA investigator be preferable to killing oneself? Indeed, even if de Mohrenschildt were guilty, again, why wouldn't lying under oath and denying guilt, which thousands of defendants in criminal cases do every day throughout the land, be preferable to killing oneself? It makes absolutely no sense at all that de Mohrenschildt would "rather die than lie" to an HSCA investigator, even if he was eventually asked to testify under oath.
In fact, de Mohrenschildt had already testified under oath about his relationship with Oswald before the Warren Commission in 1964. Even if he were involved in the assassination, which there's absolutely no evidence of, why wouldn't he, in 1977, be willing to simply tell the same story under oath again?
What does make sense (and the conspiracy books don't usually tell their readers this) is that George de Mohrenschildt, age sixty-five at the time of his death, had in recent years...become a deeply depressed and mentally unstable individual who wanted to die.
The Palm Beach County sheriff's office conducted a fairly thorough investigation of de Mohrenschildt's death, and everyone whom chief investigating officer Thomas Neighbors (a detective for the Palm Beach County sheriff's office) spoke to confirmed that de Mohrenschildt was mentally ill. His investigative report said that Mrs. Tilton [i.e., Mrs. Nancy Tilton, a cousin of George DeMohrenschildt's first wife] recounted that during de Mohrenschildt's stay, "he discussed previous attempts at suicide . . . [and] expressed feelings of persecution from unspecified Jewish elements, the federal government, and [being] blackmailed by an attorney in Dallas, but she knew that he was suffering from mental illness and depression and she did not lend credence to his fears."
His daughter Alexandra told Neighbors that her father had been shadowed with the suspicion among conspiracy theorists that he had been involved in the assassination and that this, along with other personal problems, disturbed him to the point where he had made several previous attempts on his life, was committed briefly to a mental institution, and since his stay in Florida had expressed a desire to commit suicide.
When Neighbors reached de Mohrenschildt's wife, Jeanne, by phone in Los Angeles, she elaborated on his mental condition. He wrote, "She stated that . . . over the past several years he has been acting in an 'insane manner.' He constantly was in fear of what he termed the 'Jewish Mafia' and the FBI, but she felt his fears were groundless . . . On November 9, 1976, Mrs. de Mohrenschildt signed commitment papers in Dallas . . . to have her husband placed in a mental home for treatment [actually, the psychiatric unit at Parkland Memorial Hospital] . . . In the affidavit she stated that the victim suffered from depression, heard voices, saw visions, and believed that the FBI and 'The Jewish Mafia' were persecuting him." Also, that he "had attempted suicide four times in 1976 by slashing his wrists, trying to drown himself in [the] bathtub, and twice taking overdoses of medicine."
De Mohrenschildt was confined for eight weeks in Parkland, during which time, per his lawyer Pat Russell, he received heavy shock treatment.*
* On October 29, 1976, just a week and a half before his commitment at Parkland, de Mohrenschildt went to a Dallas psychiatrist, telling him, "I am depressed. I am killing myself," and asked that he be committed as a mental patient to Terrell State Hospital in Terrell, Texas, near Dallas. Four days later, after the psychiatrist had made arrangements for admitting him voluntarily,
de Mohrenschildt changed his mind and decided not to go to Terrell. (Earl Golz, "Oswald Friend Vowed Suicide, Psychiatrist Claimed," Dallas Morning News,
April 1, 1977, p.20A)
Neighbors said in his report that shortly before de Mohrenschildt shot himself with Mrs. Tilton's shotgun, "he questioned Mrs. Viisola (the maid) about a scratching sound which apparently annoyed him. He speculated that it was a cat, which there are none in the Tilton residence, and he began to pace up and down the long main hallway, calling for a cat . . . Mrs. Viisola felt that the visitor was not behaving normally and was, in her own words, slightly mad."
The Palm Beach County sheriff's office was able to determine the precise time of death on March 29, 1977, at 2:21 (and 3 seconds) p.m. because Mrs. Tilton, who was out, was recording a television program and the "gunshot is audible" (per the sheriff's office report) on the tape recorder. There were no "non-television-related sounds on the tape cassette," the report said, to indicate anything other than a suicide.*
* The inimitable Mark Lane, however, perpetually up to his conspiratorial patter, found sounds indicating, to him, foul play. He wrote in the November 1977 edition of Gallery magazine that he attended de Mohrenschildt's coroner's inquest (which ruled that de Mohrenschildt's death was a suicide, the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy, Dr. Gabino Cuevas, testifying to his belief that the gunshot was self-inflicted) and that "the various servants testified that an alarm system installed by the owner of the house caused a bell to ring . . . whenever an outside door or window was opened. The courtroom became silent as the tape recording was played. Just after a commercial . . . a gentle bell was heard, and then the shotgun blast." (Mark Lane, Gallery, November 1977)
Detective Neighbors (now a lieutenant) told me that he too was at the inquest. He said that when any door or window at the Tilton mansion was opened, a "beeping sound," not a bell, was heard, that a beeping sound was heard on the tape just before the shotgun blast, but he had determined it was caused by the live-in maintenance man, Coley Wimbley, walking out the back door of the home. "The next beeping sound on the tape was at least ten minutes later. An assassin would be expected to get out of there long before that."
Neighbors said he meticulously went over the movements of everyone coming in and out of the house and "no beeps were unaccounted for." Neighbors said he had no doubt de Mohrenschildt had committed suicide. "He was a very disturbed individual at the end. He was hiding from the world, thinking the world was against him." (Telephone interview of Thomas Neighbors by author [Vincent Bugliosi] on November 6, 2000)
Oh yes, in the left pocket of de Mohrenschildt's pants when his body was found was a clipping of a front-page headline about him from the Dallas Morning News dated March 20, 1977 (nine days earlier) captioned "Mental Ills of Oswald Confidant Told."
Apparently de Mohrenschildt's mental problems went way back. For instance...Mrs. Igor Vladimir Voshinin, a member of the Russian emigre community in Dallas who knew de Mohrenschildt well, told the Warren Commission back in 1964 that "he was a neurotic person. He had some sort of headaches and sometimes he would flare into a rage absolutely for no reason at all practically . . . He complained to me several times that he could not concentrate very well."
Along with all his other demons, according to one of his friends, Samuel B. Ballen, who had dinner in Dallas with de Mohrenschildt shortly before he died,
de Mohrenschildt was "beating himself pretty hard" with guilt over the assassination. He knew Oswald had liked and looked up to him, and wondered whether something he had done or said, something "childish" and "sophomoric" on his part, might have nudged Oswald over the edge in the direction he ultimately took.
Ballen felt depressed over his meeting with de Mohrenschildt, later recalling that for all of his friend's frailties, the greatest of which was his "utter irresponsibility," George, he believed, was "one of the world's great people," and looking back, felt he had been dining with "Hemingway before the suicide."
Both the HSCA and the Warren Commission took a more than casual interest in de Mohrenschildt to determine if he was an intelligence agent with a possible connection to the assassination, the latter question being the whole point of the exercise.
The HSCA never got around to addressing itself to this ultimate point of its inquiry, but it did so indirectly by concluding it had found "no evidence that
de Mohrenschildt had ever been an American intelligence agent." And nothing in its report or volumes suggests he was acting at the behest of any foreign country in his association with Oswald.
The Warren Commission said its investigation had not produced "any evidence linking [de Mohrenschildt] in any way with the assassination of President Kennedy." "
-- Vincent T. Bugliosi; Pages 1209—1211 of "Reclaiming History: The Assassination Of President John F. Kennedy"
LESLIE SHARP SAID:
After years of failed suicide attempts, George deMohrenshildt [sic] waited for the perfect, opportune time this one last time, just after noon in broad daylight in the home of his former sister-in-law who was also hosting his beloved daughter Alexandra and her young friend who undoubtedly could come upon his corpse and be scarred for life.
Having just earned $1,000 of a $4,000 fee for a four-day interview, George became spontaneously, suicidally despondent, borrowed a long gage shotgun from the Tiltons, sat down and shot himself in the mouth.
Yep. And he did this while intrepid Dallas ABC-WFAA (Ted Dealey, Belo Corporation) reporter Bill O’Reilly stood on the doorsteps of the Tilton Mansion … doing what? Was Bill ringing the door bell, was he knocking on the window panes, was he shuffling around wondering whether or not anyone was home?
When he heard the shots did Bill rush into the house? How did deM arrive at the Mansion, how did Bill arrive at the Mansion, where were their rental cars, or if neither had cars and used taxis, where is the testimony of the taxi drivers? Where are the police records that reference one “Bill O’Reilly, star reporter” at the scene of the crime? Where is the record of the report Bill filed that day with WFAA, the ‘scoop’ … “I just heard the actual gunshots of George deMohrenshildt’s [sic] suicide.”
Fool me once, DvP …..
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
You're preaching to the choir when discussing Bill O'Reilly's obvious (and provable) lie about being at DeMohrenschildt's door when the gun went off. Everybody now knows that WAS a lie. There's no question about that fact. This phone call verifies the lie....
But O'Reilly's big fat lie certainly doesn't mean George DeMohrenschildt was murdered by someone on March 29, 1977. Does it, Leslie?
So, you think Jeanne DeMohrenschildt lied through her teeth when she told investigator Thomas Neighbors that her husband had tried to kill himself FOUR separate times in the year 1976?
Did the alleged "conspiracy" and "cover-up" stretch all the way to Jeanne DeMohrenschildt (and George's daughter Alexandra) too?
I don't see what's so hard to believe about a mentally unstable person, who had attempted suicide multiple times in the past year and who might have placed upon himself some guilt pertaining to Lee Harvey Oswald's decision to kill the President, becoming suicidal once again when he dwells upon what loomed ahead for him---i.e., having to testify about his relationship with Oswald all over again--which apparently had become a subject that caused Mr. DeMohrenschildt considerable grief and internal anguish over the years since 1963.
Given DeMohrenschildt's past history of suicidal tendencies and his alleged inner guilt that he may have felt in possibly (in his own mind) saying or doing something that could have caused Oswald to commit his heinous act on 11/22/63, it doesn't surprise me in the least that George picked the date of March 29th, 1977, to place that shotgun in his mouth.
You see, it's all a matter of perspective.
DAVID HAZAN SAID:
I understand. But the perspective you presented is an extremely narrow one.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
But given GdM’s known mental history, it’s also the most logical and reasonable perspective, too. (IMO)
DAVID HAZAN SAID:
The reason I called it narrow is that it does not take into consideration anything else about who he was, what he was, what was happening to him at the time, and all of the peripheral events in an effort to create a “mentally unstable” narrative that is not impossible, but nonetheless not so probable.
It is not necessarily what GdM did, but more what investigators and law enforcement did NOT do after the suicide that does not pass the smell test.
In addition, according to researcher Bruce Adamson, GdM was administered 9 sessions of electroshock “therapy” at Parkland Hospital during the period before his suicide. (He claims to have hospital records to back his claim.)
It is also worth noting that his long time friend/partner/accomplice GHWBush had left his post as the director of CIA just two months earlier. This is purely speculation on my part, but this might have lifted a certain level of protection GdM was enjoying until then.
Also, the incoming director, Stan Turner, was tasked with doing a wiggle dance by testifying and convincing the world that the MKUltra program existed, but had long been terminated. The chances are that Turner was chosen to do the job because of his involvement and expertise in the program to begin with. Which brings us back to the nine electroshock “treatments” and what their nature might have been. (I took some shortcuts here for the purposes of this post, but the chainlink fence of deceit from GdM to the CIA is quite a solid one.)
So, had GdM been an unhappy and boring bank clerk living in a suburb of Dallas, there would be nothing to this suicide, which could easily be explained away with a “depressed” and “mentally unstable” framework. But for a man like GdM, a company man of international intrigue, espionage, under the table oil deals, etc., who happened to be Oswald’s main CIA connection, it is a flimsy and cherry picked explanation at best.
I can’t help mention that his “alleged guilt”, if true, was a lot more likely to be for much, much heavier burdens than just “pertaining to Lee Harvey Oswald’s decision to kill the President”… Which, as a masterfully short phrase, implies not only LHO “decided” on his own, but did kill the president, once again, all on his own. So, I commend you for its wording...but what it says is utter nonsense.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Good post, David Hazan. Thank you.
There are always two sides to every story. Otherwise, websites like this one would not even exist.
But the fact remains that Mr. DeMohrenschildt was almost certainly suffering from mental instability in the years 1976 and 1977 shortly before his death. And he had (per his wife) attempted to kill himself on multiple occasions in just the previous year (1976) alone — and some of those attempts would have occurred almost certainly PRIOR to the formation of the HSCA (i.e., before George DeM. could have known he was going to have to testify in front of another U.S. Government committee investigating JFK’s murder).
So, in my view, the “suicide” conclusion presents itself as the probable truth in DeMohrenschildt’s case.
Are there conspiracy theorists out there who really think the “plot” or “cover-up” went so far as to merely STAGE or FAKE multiple alleged suicide attempts on the part of George DeMohrenschildt, and then the plotters managed to get the victim’s wife and daughter to lie about those suicide attempts to the investigators after his death?
Am I really expected to think that a cover-up plot extended to those lengths?
And if Jeanne DeM. was telling the truth, am I really supposed to believe that a man who had tried to kill himself at least four times in the recent past was actually murdered—even though all signs point to the man taking his own life?
In my opinion, it’s those PAST attempts at suicide that spell doom for the conspiracy theorists who want to believe George S. DeMohrenschildt was murdered.
LESLIE SHARP SAID:
David vonPein [sic; is there any particular reason why you are deliberately misspelling my name in every post you direct toward me? ~shrug~], again I ask you if your argument solely rests on George deMohrenschildt’s previous attempts to kill himself?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
We’ve got a mentally disturbed man who has tried to kill himself on numerous prior occasions in the last year or two. And this same man then ends up dead of an apparent suicide (with no signs whatsoever of foul play connected with his demise), and yet I’m supposed to think he was murdered instead of taking his own life? That seems mighty silly to me. But I guess most conspiracy theorists like “murder” better than “Occam”.
LESLIE SHARP SAID:
If so, I would point out that he had endured electro-shock therapy administered at Parkland by the way in the interim.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Which only further indicates the victim’s deteriorating mental condition. How many people undergo electroshock therapy just for the fun of it?
Or should I think the “electroshock” stuff is all just a lie too? As well as DeMohrenschildt’s multi-week confinement in Parkland’s psychiatric ward?
You’re practically making my point for me, Leslie.
George DeMohrenschildt had severe mental problems, as the “electroshock” treatment vividly illustrates.
WILLY WHITTEN SAID:
Yes indeed, who would “volunteer” for torture such as electroshock therapy?
Surely you are not serious David. This brutal treatment is not voluntary...
LESLIE SHARP SAID:
And who authorized the electroshock? (please note Willy Whitten’s recent revelation about a Doctor Mendoza at Parkland).
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Oh, I see. So now a certain “Dr. Mendoza” is part of the plot to cover-up the true facts about President Kennedy's assassination by FORCING George DeMohrenschildt to undergo electroshock treatments against George's will. Is that it?
And George could do NOTHING to stop this “torture”, right? Mr. DeM., just like Lee Harvey Oswald (if we're to believe some of the conspiracy theorists out there), was merely a puppet on a string, with absolutely no will of his own. Oswald and DeMohrenschildt apparently had no ability whatsoever to fight back against the evil conspiratorial forces that surrounded each of them.
“Mr. DeMohrenschildt, we want to give you several electroshock treatments to turn your brain to mush. That's okay with you, isn't it George?”
“Hey Lee! You don't mind carrying this long paper package into the Book Depository Building on the morning of November 22, 1963, do you? You don't need to know what's in the package, just be a good sport and let Buell Frazier see you walk into the back door of the building with it. And tell Buell it contains curtain rods or something like that. Okay, buddy? Thanks!”
How many totally subservient puppets and slaves are needed to create a good-looking cover-up operation associated with the death of a U.S. President?
Unknown. (The conspiracy theorists are still trying to figure it out, as they add more and more obedient servants to their make-believe JFK conspiracy every year.)
LESLIE SHARP SAID:
Will you now speak to the specifics of the investigation into deMohrenschildt’s death and to Bill O’Reilly’s lie? If not, my conversation with you is concluded.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
O’Reilly’s lie, of course, has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject we’ve been talking about here — i.e., whether George DeMohrenschildt was murdered or committed suicide.
The police officer who investigated DeMohrenschildt’s death for the Palm Beach Sheriff’s Office said this in his report. If conspiracy theorists want to ignore these words, that’s their choice:
“This writer’s investigation has failed to produce any evidence which would tend to indicate that the victim met his death by any means other than by his own hand. All of the facts indicate that he was a disturbed man, who, at the time of his death, was suffering from the same overwhelming mental pressures which must have surely prompted his four prior suicide attempts, in Texas, in 1976. This death investigation is, therefore, declared to be a suicide and is hereby EXCEPTIONALLY CLEARED.” — Detective Thomas Neighbors; Sheriff’s Office, Palm Beach County, Florida
David Von Pein
March 11, 2015
March 11-16, 2015
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