DOUGLAS CADDY POSTED THIS VIDEO:
JFK Assassination Panel with Roger Stone and Jim DiEugenio [Nov. 22, 2013]
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DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Thanks, Douglas.
Even though I disagree with virtually every single thing James DiEugenio and Roger Stone have to say about the JFK assassination in that November 22, 2013, Internet video program above, I must say that I enjoyed watching it. And I'm sure conspiracy theorists will love it even more. 😉
But when Jim D. said this near the end of the program....
"I think we've already proved, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that Oswald didn't shoot anybody that day."
....Jim was saying something that, in my opinion, is every bit as crazy and nonsensical as the "Hickey Shot JFK" theory that Jim was denouncing in that very same program. Because when Jim said the words "didn't shoot anybody", he was, of course, including Officer Tippit too. And how any reasonable person could think Oswald was not guilty of J.D. Tippit's murder too is something I just cannot even begin to fathom at all.
JAMES DiEUGENIO SAID:
This was the highest rated article at Kennedys and King last year. And on Dave Giglio's Our Hidden History, it has 35,000 views:
http://kennedysandking.com/the-tippit-case-in-the-new-millennium
I take no credit for any original work in that essay. The lion's share goes to Joe McBride's book.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Jim's above article notwithstanding, I still hold strong to my previous comment in this thread....
"How any reasonable person could think Oswald was not guilty of J.D. Tippit's murder too is something I just cannot even begin to fathom at all." -- DVP
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/04/index.html#JD-Tippit
RON BULMAN SAID:
Big blue letters don't make something reasonable. Logic and a grain of salt work better. I was already suspicious of Oswald's guilt in the Tippit murder from what I'd read previously, but Mr. McBride's Into the Nightmare leaves little doubt LHO didn't shoot Tippit. Have you read it David? Likely not given your participation here, your website, others and blogs. You wouldn't have time, even with split multiple personalities. Logic makes it seem unreasonable that you're one person with so much knowledge that responds in depth so quickly and often.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
No, I haven't read Joseph McBride's book. But I've seen quite a number of Mr. McBride's posts on The Education Forum (enough to get a pretty good idea what his opinions are of the Tippit murder), and I do not think Mr. McBride "leaves little doubt" that Oswald was innocent of shooting Officer Tippit. Quite to the contrary. McBride's theories about how Tippit was killed are totally outrageous and wrong, in my opinion. And this 2014 article by Dale Myers is certainly in line with my own thoughts about the Tippit case.
To me, if "logic" is utilized in the J.D. Tippit murder case, then there's no possible way to avoid declaring Lee Harvey Oswald guilty of that crime.
As I said six years ago....
"The only possible way for Lee Harvey Oswald to be innocent of shooting J.D. Tippit is if the following idiotic situation occurred (which nobody could possibly even begin to believe happened on November 22, 1963) ----- Somebody other than Lee Oswald shoots Tippit with Oswald's revolver. This "non-Oswald" shooter (who looks just exactly like Lee Harvey Oswald, but really isn't him) then flees the scene of the Tippit crime, dumping four shells on the ground as he runs away. This non-Oswald shooter then meets up with the real Lee Oswald and hands off the Tippit murder weapon to LHO. Oswald then proceeds to the Texas Theater where he is arrested while in possession of the gun that somebody else used to kill Officer Tippit just 35 minutes earlier." -- DVP; June 4, 2013
CORY SANTOS SAID:
David, respectfully, you have not read his book? Forget what Myers said. If nothing else watch the youtube videos. I think LHO did it and conspiracists do a great disservice by not reading academic research in this matter. You don't have to agree but you cannot say the other side is wrong unless you read it. That is like a prosecutor going to trial not having read the defense's experts report or vice versa.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Why on Earth would any sensible person do something so silly as to "forget what Myers said" when it comes to the subject of J.D. Tippit's murder? Mr. Myers, in my opinion, is the foremost expert on the Tippit crime.
http://With--Malice.blogspot.com
RON BULMAN SAID:
There is no academic research supporting the Warren Omission BS. LHO did not do it.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Surely you jest.
RON BULMAN SAID:
I think that right winger, an early hero of mine, John Wayne, said Not Hardly.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Since you brought up John Wayne....
This is what should be done to conspiracy theorists every time they say "Oswald didn't shoot anybody that day"....
B.A. COPELAND SAID:
It is absolutely reasonable to conclude that LHO did not shoot anyone that day when the evidence is considered today. I would love for the case to go to court officially and Mexico City comes up where someone clearly impersonated LHO on the telephone, not to mention clarifying the Odio incident.
We also have the late SR/CI Chief Pete Bagley stating to Blunt that LHO had to be a witting asset. Do I dare mention Westbrook and his very suspicious role within the DPD (among notable others)?
These are what's called game changers, powerful counterpoints to the historical narrative we've been given officially. As a result, we must rethink what we think we know about LHO or the assassination narrative as a whole.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
We don't need the DPD at all to determine LHO's guilt in the Tippit murder. For all reasonable people, the MANY witnesses who positively identified Oswald at or near the murder scene (with gun in hand) certainly should suffice.
"Oswald just being in the area of J.D. Tippit's murder brandishing a pistol is extremely incriminating circumstantial evidence of LHO's guilt." -- DVP; May 11, 2009
SANDY LARSEN SAID:
I haven't really studied the Tippit case. But didn't Captain Westbrook have Oswald's wallet in his possession at the Tippit scene, even though Oswald still had his wallet at the Texas theater? And wasn't this information buried and then later rediscovered?
If so, that alone is proof that Oswald was being framed for Tippit's murder.
JAMES DiEUGENIO SAID:
Sandy, yes that is all correct.
SANDY LARSEN SAID:
Well then, DVP, why are you protesting? Oswald was obviously framed. (Thanks Jim.)
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Sandy,
There is no proof that Westbrook had Oswald's wallet at the Tippit murder scene.
SANDY LARSEN SAID:
No proof??
LOL, oh please. I just did a little looking around and here is what I found:
1. Dallas TV station WFAA has film footage of DPD police officers looking over a wallet found at the Tippit scene.
2. In the late 1990s, officer Kenneth Cory revealed that an unidentified civilian handed the wallet to him.
3. In James Hosty's book Assignment Oswald, Hosty wrote that when FBI agent Bob Barrett arrived at the Tippit scene, Captain Westbrook was going through a wallet that had been found there and asked Barrett if he knew anything about Lee Oswald or Alek Hidell.
4. There is a YouTube video of Bob Barrett relating the same story himself. Barrett points out the obvious... that the names must have come from the
wallet. (!!)
So there you have it... proof that Oswald was being set up for Tippit's murder. (Given that Oswald's real wallet was gotten from him later, on his way back from Texas Theater.)
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
And if Oswald's wallet HAD been found right there at the murder scene, why on Earth wouldn't the cops (who were FRAMING OSWALD, according to you) have wanted to shout that fact to the world?! It makes no sense.
Lots of good info regarding the Tippit murder (and "the wallet") can be found at Dale Myers' blog here.
SANDY LARSEN SAID:
First, it was the CIA framing Oswald, not the DPD. Second, no I would not expect the police to be shouting anything to the world. Especially given that it contradicted the story of Oswald's real wallet.
REPLAY....
SANDY LARSEN SAID:
Barrett points out the obvious... that the names must have come from the wallet.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
CTers like to jump to unprovable conclusions, don't they?
And if a wallet with the names "Lee Harvey Oswald" and "Alek James Hidell" in it had really been found at the site of J.D. Tippit's murder, then ANYONE who was (allegedly) framing Oswald—whether it be the CIA or the Dallas Police Department or Stafford, Indiana, Police Lieutenant Philip Gerard (from "The Fugitive")—of course would have been shouting "We found Oswald's wallet next to Tippit's body!" to the world. And they would have simply made the other wallet "disappear" (the one taken from LHO in the police car). That's as obvious as can be.
But it's fun to watch you CTers tie yourselves into pretzels as you try to explain to the world why the cops wouldn't want to reveal that LHO's wallet was found on 10th Street (especially within the framework of the usual conspiracy theory that has the DPD framing the man whose wallet was allegedly found).
It's similar to the amusement that can be derived from listening to conspiracy theorists as they try to explain why the "real" assassins in Dealey Plaza decided to complicate their plot to an absurd degree by shooting at JFK from the Grassy Knoll, even though they were attempting to set up a patsy in the Book Depository Building. It's hilarious—especially Mr. Lifton's "sophisticated strategic deception" malarkey.
But, Sandy, it's nice to know that you don't think the Dallas Police Department framed Lee Oswald for any murder in 1963 (not even J.D. Tippit's)....
"...it was the CIA framing Oswald, not the DPD." -- S. Larsen; 2/7/19
You're certainly in the vast minority at this forum when it comes to that particular issue. (I wonder if you'll change your mind tomorrow?)
David Von Pein
January 28—February 7, 2019
