DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
If Lee Harvey Oswald had REALLY been out on the front steps of the Book Depository when President Kennedy was being assassinated, he would have SHOUTED THAT FACT TO THE WORLD, on live television, on Day 1 (November 22, 1963). How can anyone think that WOULDN'T have happened? But he didn't shout it to the world. Instead, he admitted that he was INSIDE the building (not outside) at 12:30 PM....
RON BULMAN SAID:
So if you step out the front door, and down a step or two, are you still on the first floor?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
No, you wouldn't still be on the "first floor". You'd be OUTSIDE the building completely—on the front stoop—in the open air.
CTers are really desperate when they try to imply that when a person is standing on the top step of the TSBD's front entrance it's exactly the same thing as that person being "inside" the building. The recessed entryway is OUTSIDE the front doors, as we can easily see in the picture below.
"Nobody who was standing on the TSBD steps would ever say they were "in the building". That's nuts. The steps are OUTSIDE the front door, for Pete sake." -- DVP; July 8, 2014
DEREK THIBEAULT SAID:
I hate to agree with DVP as I am a CTer, but I just think Oswald had a better alibi if he said he was on the stairs outside. Maybe he was being cagey saying "of course he was there, he works there". I wish we had a witness who saw him there, it would help lend credence to the picture.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
But another thing to consider, Derek, is this....
If Oswald was really Mr. Prayer Man, we'd then have to believe that he immediately rushed back into the building and up to the 2nd floor within seconds of being captured on film as "Prayer Man", and we'd have to believe that Oswald was able to beat Marrion Baker and Roy Truly up to the second-floor lunchroom, in order for LHO to be seen by Baker in the vestibule area of the lunchroom less than two minutes after the assassination had taken place.
Is such a thing even remotely reasonable to believe?
If so, then Mr. Oswald sure must have had a really big craving for that
Coca-Cola at that exact point in time on 11/22/63, huh?
ANDREW PRUTSOK SAID:
As opposed to believing he immediately rushed down 4 flights of stairs to the 2nd floor lunch room?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Well....yeah. (Duh.)
Difference being:
A person standing on the front steps couldn't be an assassin. And a person who was on the sixth floor at 12:30 could very well be an assassin and would have wanted to put as much space between himself and the scene of the crime as possible in the 90 seconds that immediately followed the murder that he himself had just committed.
You couldn't figure that out yourself, Andy?
Replay needed here -----> Duh!
ANDREW PRUTSOK SAID:
Glad you wrote it in big letters so I could understand. But as I said earlier, just because you are a jerk doesn’t make you right. My point in making the comment was that nobody believes Oswald sprinted down 4 flights of steps to get a Coke without being seen. It’s as absurd as him dashing up there to get a Coke.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Well, then, why the heck didn't you mention the word "unseen" in your previous post that I responded to? How was anybody supposed to know what you meant? You left out the key words --- "without being seen". I wouldn't have responded with my Double-"Duh" if you would have put in that extra information. I'm not a mind-reader.
The way you wrote your first post makes it seem as if you think it was totally absurd for an assassin on the sixth floor to merely have a desire to go downstairs in order to get the heck away from the crime scene.
RON BULMAN SAID:
A person standing on the front steps couldn't be an assassin. Bingo! David, you believe the official story. If we can believe anything from Fritz's copied notes made two or three days after he'd questioned Oswald, it may be "I was out front with Shelly [sic]".
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
No, we can't believe that "Out with Shelley" remark at all. That was most certainly another one of Oswald's many lies (see this article).
JAMES DiEUGENIO SAID:
DVP: "A person standing on the front steps couldn't be an assassin."
Just remember that DVP said this.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Why? Is that blatantly obvious fact—that a person can't be in two places at the same time—supposed to somehow come back and bite me in the rear end in the future?
~shrug~
JAMES DiEUGENIO SAID:
My second comment: that whole second floor lunch room encounter has been decimated by, among others, Bart Kamp, Greg Parker, and Sean Murphy.
It was manufactured and Baker never got his story together about it. Anyone who supports that today simply is either not aware of the new work, or is just denying the new facts.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
And it's my opinion that anyone who could possibly think that the second-floor lunchroom encounter never occurred at all is a person living deep within a fantasy world all their own. There are many reasons to disregard the conspiracy fantasists who constantly insist that the Baker/Oswald encounter never happened at all. (See link below.)
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/The Lunchroom Encounter
Excerpt....
"It seems as if a whole new breed of conspiracy theorist is among us. And members of this new breed, in addition to being part of the proverbial "Anybody But Oswald" fraternity, are now also members of the "It Never Happened At All" club too.
I can remember not that long ago when CTers would argue in FAVOR of the Baker/Truly/Oswald encounter happening just where all sensible people know it happened--in the second-floor lunchroom of the TSBD. With those CTers using that FACT as "proof" (they would say) of conspiracy, because they'd say that Oswald couldn't possibly have made it down to the second floor in time to see Officer Baker in the lunchroom.
But now we get INHAA [It Never Happened At All] members (like Mr. DiEugenio) who can never use that other "He Couldn't Have Made It There In Time" argument ever again---because DiEugenio is convinced the encounter never happened at all.
And the same with the "paper bag" argument. In past years, that brown paper bag (CE142) that Oswald was seen carrying on the morning of November 22, 1963, was propped up as a "proof of conspiracy" crown jewel by the conspiracy faithful, with the CTers insisting the bag itself was proof that Oswald never carried any rifle into the Depository on November 22 because the bag was way too short.
But now, it's a new ballgame with the bag. And people like Jim DiEugenio can never again utilize the "Too Short" argument. Why? Because Jimmy assures the world that Oswald never had a bag at all on November 22. Go figure.
Kind of funny, isn't it? I think so." -- DVP; July 2015
David Von Pein
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