DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Part 1393 of my
"JFK Assassination Arguments" series includes a variety of my posts and comments covering the period of
October 1—31, 2025. To read the entire forum discussion from which my own comments have been extracted, click on the "Full Discussion" logo at the bottom of each individual segment.
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DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Here are some recent NBC Radio Network additions to my audio/video collection:
David Von Pein
October 2, 2025
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DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Below is a half-hour video of rare TV news footage that I found at
TexasArchive.org. These film clips come from Houston television
station KPRC-TV and cover President Kennedy's visit to Houston, Texas,
on November 21, 1963:
David Von Pein
October 2, 2025
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GREG DOUDNA SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
If Lee Harvey Oswald was really the "Prayer Man" figure we see in Mr. Darnell's film, then somebody is going to have to explain to me (in a logical and believable fashion) the reason for why Oswald didn't shout
"I WAS OUTSIDE ON THE FRONT STEPS!" when he had multiple opportunities to do just that when the TV cameras were being shoved in his face at City Hall on both Nov. 22 and 23. To date, no such logical and believable explanation has come to my attention.
Plus, if we're to believe that Mr. Oswald is "Prayer Man", not only does Lee not say a single word to the live television cameras about being located on the TSBD front stoop when JFK was getting shot,
he also decides to LIE to the press (and to the world) by telling the TV audience that he was
INSIDE the Depository building at the time of the assassination.
Crazy stuff there indeed.
I would think that these things regarding Lee Oswald's whereabouts at precisely 12:30 PM on 11/22/63 would be very difficult to reconcile and to explain in a logical manner if you're a believer in the "Prayer Man Is Oswald" theory.
David Von Pein
October 4, 2025
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LANCE PAYETTE SAID:
"The power went out in the TSBD" factoid....
ROYELL STORING SAID:
How about finding out if the clock atop the TSBD ran on DC current for starters? Let's accumulate FACTS.
RICHARD SMITH SAID:
There are numerous sources to confirm that the power was on in the building in the immediate aftermath of the assassination.
Fact: the clock [atop the TSBD Building] is functioning moments after the assassination per the photograph that clearly shows it displaying 12:30 as the motorcade passes under the overpass.
Fact: the freight elevator is functioning when Baker and Truly take it minutes after the assassination.
Fact: the lights are on in the TSBD moments after the assassination per the interior film footage.
Fact: the freight elevator is functioning when Mooney takes it from the 1st to 2nd floor several minutes after the assassination.
Fact: the freight elevator that Mooney was on did not operate like a normal elevator. It would not work unless he knew how to operate it. His testimony does not disprove that he did not know how to operate it because he would not know what he did not know.
Now spin us a yarn and explain how and why the power was being turned on and off in a way that aligns with these facts. If you are just claiming the alleged power outage was random and had nothing to do with a conspiracy, then who cares?
LANCE PAYETTE SAID:
The Sixth Floor Museum, which owns the remnants of the Hertz sign, doesn't know how it was powered but assumes it was wired into the building's electrical supply:
https://www.jfk.org/collections-archive/hertz-sign/.
At the time, the TSBD Hertz sign was one of only three such signs in existence.
Signs of that sort during that era typically did not have backup power.
Obviously, the clock would have to reset or be reset somehow after a power outage.
Whatever you think the significance of this issue is—I see none, but whatever—you will never have a definitive answer.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Thanks, Lance, for reminding me that the Sixth Floor Museum website includes
THIS PAGE all about the Hertz sign atop the Book Depository Building.
For those interested, here are a couple of pictures showing the other two large billboard signs that occupied space on the roof of the TSBD prior to 1959. Click to enlarge....
The
"U.S. Royal Tires" sign (this photo is from 1948):
The
"Ford: Built In Texas" sign, which went up in June 1953:
Click the logo below for many more Dealey Plaza/TSBD images, dating back to the 1930s:
David Von Pein
October 9, 2025
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FRED LITWIN SAID:
On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 25 with Dale K. Myers [linked below]
It was a real pleasure talking with Dale Myers about the Tippit shooting and JFK assassination conspiracy theories. Dale also presented a neat computer recreation of the Tippit shooting....
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Thanks, Fred. Your October 2025 interview with Dale Myers is simply outstanding. It's brimming over with facts and informative tidbits of information about the Tippit shooting. Just terrific. I'm sure I'll be revisiting it several times in the future. (I've added it to my own Dale Myers webpage as well.)
http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/06/dale-myers.html
BTW, yesterday (October 15th) was Dale Myers' 70th birthday. So,
Happy Birthday to Dale!
BTW #2 -- Here's a link to Dale's Wikipedia page (which I didn't even know existed until just a few minutes ago):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_K._Myers
JOHN MYTTON SAID THIS.
TOMMY SHANKS SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
If only more conspiracy fantasists would wake up to this basic, immutable fact....
GERRY DOWN SAID:
Topic: Dale Myers' Controversial Diagram....
Recently, Dale Myers appeared on an episode of Fred Litwin's podcast [linked above]. In the podcast, Myers goes through a series of computer diagrams showing how he believes LHO was walking from east to west along 10th Street before he shot Tippit. The Warren Commission believed LHO was walking from west to east (i.e., had passed in front of Helen Markham) before shooting Tippit.
Myers' diagrams appear to build a reasonable case that the Tippit shooter had been walking east to west before shooting Tippit. That's because several people did see this mystery person walking east to west along the sidewalk. Therefore, his existence is not in doubt.
However, one of his diagrams I feel is the Achilles Heel in his whole east-to-west theory.
The diagram below shows the mystery man walking east to west along the sidewalk. The two people standing in front of the house across the street are Jimmy Burt and Bill Smith. Bill Smith never saw the mystery man walking along the sidewalk (perhaps because he had his back to the street), but Jimmy Burt did see him.
The issue arises with the pickup truck parked at the intersection between 10th Street and Denver. Two individuals were sitting in the truck having a morning snack. Jim Archer was in the driver's seat and Jimmy Brewer was sitting beside him. Because Brewer was blocking Archer's view of the east, Archer never saw the man walking from the east. Brewer, however, did see him and said that the mystery man did not pass in front of their pickup truck but went behind it. At least that’s what Archer said Brewer said. We don’t know what Brewer himself said as there is apparently no account of what Brewer himself said.
Myers says, and I’m guessing he is quoting an interview of Archer in this regard (he footnotes a 1998 interview of Archer in his book “With Malice”, that Brewer said that the man walking from east to west went behind their pickup truck and then continued walking west along 10th Street towards the Tippit murder scene. The problem though with this is that this is what Archer said Brewer said. This is hearsay.
For example, Brewer could possibly have said:
"I saw a man walking from the east and he walked around the back of our truck. I guess he could have been the one that then killed Tippit."
Archer may have then misinterpreted this to mean that Brewer was saying he saw the man walk behind the truck and actually saw him then continue walking towards the eventual Tippit murder scene. This is the problem with hearsay. The reality is that Brewer may well have lost sight of the mystery man after he walked behind the back of the pickup truck and was just guessing that the mystery man then continued walking towards the eventual Tippit murder scene.
Therefore, there is a fundamental problem with Myers' theory that this person is the Tippit killer. While there was obviously a man walking on the sidewalk on the east side of the 10th and Denver intersection (as seen by both Burt and Brewer), the last definite sighting we have of this man is of him walking behind the pickup truck that Archer and Brewer were sitting in.
This leaves the very real possibility that the reason the man walked behind the pickup truck was because he was walking south on Denver Street, not continuing on 10th Street in the direction of the Tippit murder scene. To the best of my knowledge, the witnesses who saw this man did not describe his clothes, so we can't compare his clothes to any of the eyewitnesses at 10th and Patton who witnessed the person who shot Tippit.
This is where Myers' controversial diagram comes in.
Archer and Brewer are sitting in a parked pickup truck at the intersection of 10th and Denver. Myers appears to have arbitrarily pushed the pickup truck very far out into the intersection in such a way as to block the sidewalk. This would force any walker to then either go around the front or back of the pickup truck if they intended to continue walking along 10th Street.
The problem, though, is that I would posit that Myers has no basis for putting the pickup truck in that unusual position where it is blocking the sidewalk. It’s not as though there were other vehicles parked behind him that forced him to park so far out into the intersection (Myers has not drawn any vehicles behind the pickup truck). And no one would want to park in such a position, as there would be the chance that walkers would scrape off the vehicle as they walked either in front of or to the back of the pickup truck. The more natural position to park would be the way Scoggins parked his car at 10th and Patton as in the diagram below.
It's my theory, and I’ll admit I’m not as well read up about the Tippit murder as Dale Myers or Bill Brown, but I suspect that Archer's pickup truck was more likely parked in a similar position to the way Scoggins parked his car (which is well back from the intersection). And that Brewer saw the mystery man walk behind the pickup truck not because the mystery man intended to continue walking west along 10th Street, but because he was intending to walk south on Denver Street.
In other words, the last sighting we likely have of the mystery man has him walking behind Archer's pickup truck, and as Archer's pickup truck is likely parked more back from the intersection (than is dipicted in Myers' diagram), this would put him on a likely trajectory of walking south on Denver, not continuing on to the Tippit murder scene.
As a final point, the Warren Commission may have figured this issue out back in 1964. The reason I say this is that it would have been to the WC's advantage if Oswald had been walking from east to west as Myers theorizes before he killed Tippit, rather than walking from west to east as they published in their final report.
The west to east trajectory the WC used created the probem that LHO was heading in the general direction of Jack Ruby's apartment. A problem they had to address in the final report. Myers' east to west trajectory, however, would have removed the problem of Jack Ruby's apartment.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Thanks, Gerry Down, for sharing your observations and opinions with us. It's certainly food for thought.
When trying to answer this question —
Was Lee Harvey Oswald Walking East Or West On Tenth Street Before He Shot Officer Tippit? — author Vincent Bugliosi
HAD THIS TO SAY in his 2007 book
"Reclaiming History".
Also....
Here's another useful image, which is a March 1964 aerial photograph showing the area surrounding the Tippit murder site:
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David Von Pein
October 16, 2025
October 29, 2025
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BILL SIMPICH SAID THIS.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Hi Bill,
As you alluded to in your opening post, that same quote from Captain Pat Gannaway also appeared in the Evening edition of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram on Thursday (Thanksgiving Day), November 28, 1963, Pages 1 & 7 of Section 3.
The Star-Telegram cites reporters M.W. Newman and Henry Hanson of the Chicago Daily News Service as the source for the Gannaway quote. The complete article can be seen below (click to enlarge these two newspaper pages)....
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David Von Pein
October 28, 2025
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