"I have given up everything for the sake of one person--Lee Oswald--and I seek his exoneration and vindication." -- Judyth Vary Baker; April 10, 2009
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
The above quote is a truly sad one indeed.
Judyth Vary Baker, who has made the claim that she was Lee Harvey Oswald's lover in the months leading up to President Kennedy's assassination in 1963, has some serious problems it would seem.
I often wonder if Judyth has ever even studied ANY of the many, many pieces
of hard evidence that easily would have convicted her "lover", Lee Oswald, in
a court of law, had he lived to stand trial, such as the stuff discussed in the articles HERE and HERE.
My guess is that Judyth probably has not seriously studied and evaluated the hard evidence that exists against Lee Oswald in the TWO murders that he was charged with in 1963.
Nor has Judyth focused very heavily on another very important aspect of the JFK murder case -- the ACTIONS and the PROVABLE LIES of her "lover", both before and after the assassination of President Kennedy.
Judyth even admits (as recently as her April 10, 2009, e-mail to Rich DellaRosa) that "I am not a 'researcher' about the JFK assassination".
In short, Judyth Vary Baker either has been inflicted with a terminal case of "denial" regarding the obvious guilt of Lee Oswald, or (perhaps) she can be
defined as author Vincent Bugliosi defines her in Vince's 2007 JFK book "Reclaiming History" -- "a sick puppy".
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FOLLOW-UP POSTS:
MARTIN SHACKELFORD SAID:
[John] McAdams claims Judyth [Vary Baker] "must have" studied the literature extensively. You take the opposite position to argue the same conclusion.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Judyth no doubt studied a lot of the details regarding Oswald and his whereabouts on certain days prior to 11/22/63, etc., yes. She would have HAD to study those kind of pre-November 22 details in order for her lies to have any chance whatsoever of being believed (by anyone).
The chronology of Judyth's fairy tale, though, ends in mid-November of 1963 (prior to the assassination itself, of course), so she doesn't need to memorize any of the details pertaining to LHO or the assassination AFTER the point in time when she says she last saw him or talked to him.
Which makes me continue to wonder if Judyth ever studied (in some depth) the details of THE ASSASSINATION ITSELF, which includes Lee Oswald's own actions and lies AFTER the murders that LHO so obviously committed in Dallas.
So, I was referring mainly to the evidence against Oswald AFTER 12:30 PM on 11/22/63 when I said this in an earlier post:
"My guess is that Judyth probably has not seriously studied and evaluated the hard evidence that exists against Lee Oswald in the TWO murders that he was charged with in 1963. Nor has Judyth focused very heavily on another very important aspect of the JFK murder case -- the ACTIONS and the PROVABLE LIES of her "lover", both before and after the assassination of President Kennedy." -- DVP; May 4, 2009
ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
That's the easy way to avoid discussing tough issues. Just call everyone a liar.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
I've called very few people outright "liars". Very, very few, in fact.
By my rough count, I think I've only called three people who are "connected" in some way with the JFK case "liars" in any of my forum posts over the years:
1.) Roger Craig
2.) Jean Hill
3.) Judyth Vary Baker
It's possible (and probable) that a few more people could/should be added to the above list as proven "liars" (such as Paul O'Connor, Ed Hoffman, and Gordon Arnold, to name just three more); but I think I've used the word "liar" only when speaking of the three individuals named above. (Not counting members of JFK newsgroups and forums, of course.)
ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
Did Judyth ever say Lee was innocent?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Good gosh, Tony....READ!!
What do you think these words from Judyth's own mouth mean?:
"I have given up everything for the sake of one person--Lee Oswald--and I seek his exoneration and vindication." -- Judyth Vary Baker; April 10, 2009
Tony,
Do you think that Judyth is seeking to "exonerate" and "vindicate" a person whom she believes to be GUILTY of killing President Kennedy and Officer Tippit? That would be a rather strange (not to mention evil) thing to do, wouldn't it (even if she DID have a love affair with Lee Harvey)?
Marsh Addendum---
I've come to the conclusion that conspiracy theorist Anthony Marsh just simply loves to be confrontational--regardless of the subject matter or assassination sub-topic. He just flat-out craves an argument...no matter what.
A curious hobby indeed. But it's one that Anthony has apparently devoted his life to.
ANTHONY MARSH SAID:
Maybe it means, just like Oswald's mother, she [Judyth Vary Baker] thinks that Lee participated in the assassination, but under orders of the CIA.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Nope. Judyth thinks Lee Harvey Oswald was totally innocent of "participating" in the assassination (with "participating" meaning taking a gun and firing it at JFK). At least that was Judyth's position as of May 13, 2004.
Judyth Vary Baker's make-believe fantasies can be heard (in some detail) in the 2-part "Black Op Radio" program from 5/13/04. It's a real howl. [That program is now unavailable.]
And to hear more of Judyth Baker's lies and fairy tales, click the links below (which contain two interviews Baker did with conspiracy kook James H. Fetzer in 2010):
PART 1 (APRIL 30, 2010)
PART 2 (MAY 3, 2010)
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EXCERPTS FROM VINCENT BUGLIOSI'S BOOK "RECLAIMING HISTORY" (CONCERNING THE
TOPIC OF JUDYTH VARY BAKER):
"The story Judyth [Vary Baker] came up with was so fraudulent on its face that even most conspiracy theorists have ganged up on her to debunk it. .... Judyth's story started when she saw Oliver Stone's fantasy film 'JFK' in 1998 and decided she had an even bigger fantasy story to tell, partially through the technique of "recovered" memory.
"And as with so many of the fantastic tales told by nuts in the assassination saga, there's some small kernel of truth on which she built her fable: the fact that for a short period in the late spring and summer of 1963, she may have worked for the same company in New Orleans that Oswald did, William B. Reily and Company, Inc. ....
"Before she got her job there, Judyth...was on the fast track to a bright and promising future flipping hamburgers at a small White Castle chain restaurant in New Orleans. But because Judyth had shown promise [in high school]...for her amateur work on cancer research...she says she was recruited...into a clandestine project funded by the CIA and Mafia: developing a bioweapon with which to kill Fidel Castro. ....
"It was around this time that she met and fell hopelessly in love with Lee Harvey Oswald, who became a part of the project and with whom she had a torrid sexual affair.
"In an amusing footnote to the affair, Judyth said that their feelings for each other got "out of control," and they "were so desperate we even slept together in a red van that was being overhauled in Adrian Alba's garage." .... But she said that when Clay Shaw learned about their lack of money forcing them to make love in such places, he felt sorry for them and started paying for their trysts at nice hotels in the city. ....
"Just how does Judyth say she came by her knowledge? She claims she either personally met conspiracy icons like Jack Ruby, David Ferrie, Carlos Marcello, Clay Shaw, Guy Banister, et cetera, or Lee told her about them during pillow talk. So the remarkable 20-year-old, in just a few months, had more contact in New Orleans with the leading figures of conspiracy lore than perhaps any other known figure in the conspiracy community. I, for one, find this to be perfectly reasonable. ....
"Judyth claims the National Enquirer offered her $600,000 for her story (an amount the publisher might offer if Jesus returned and his agent promised an exclusive), but Judyth apparently wasn't interested. Only British producer Nigel Turner, who has made a fortune peddling phony stories, gave Judyth national exposure, devoting a full segment to her on his television show 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy'. ....
"It is an established fact that the CIA did do research...to develop some medical concoction to kill Castro. But what we didn't know until Judyth told us was that the CIA decided to also fund the motley group in New Orleans [consisting of Judyth, Oswald, and David Ferrie]. ....
"Judyth Baker has been called a "pathological liar." Although her story is a lie, this might be too harsh an indictment. From what I have read, she sounds more like a sick puppy to me. ....
"If anyone even had the smallest doubt that Judyth is a gold-plated phony, all he or she has to do to remove that doubt is to read (if you can withstand the pain) Baker's book ["Lee Harvey Oswald: The True Story Of The Accused Assassin Of President John F. Kennedy By His Lover"; Volumes 1 and 2]. ....
"Baker's book is a total, embarrassing failure. Is there any way to stop Judyth from continuing to propagate her fantasy? Two volumes of nonsense [and it's now up to three volumes], at this late date, show that the answer to this question is no."
-- Vincent T. Bugliosi; Pages 539-541 and 543-544 of Endnotes in "Reclaiming History: The Assassination Of President John F. Kennedy" (c.2007)
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David Von Pein
May 2009
September 2010
LINK TO ORIGINAL POST (MAY 4, 2009)
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