ROBERT GRODEN


I often listen to the programs at the Black Op Radio website, just to see what the crazy conspiracy kooks are talking about there at that Internet radio station. On September 18, 2008, conspiracy theorist, author, and HSCA photographic analyst Robert J. Groden made an appearance on Len Osanic's Black Op show, which can be heard below:



Not surprisingly, the above interview indicates that Mr. Groden is still living in his dream world of fanciful theories with respect to the way JFK died in '63 (although he specifically stated that he, himself, never deals with "theories" about the case at all; he says he only deals with the facts based, to a large extent, on the photographic evidence).

And there is one particular incredibly-wrong statement that Groden makes during that radio interview that I wanted to comment on....and that's when Groden makes the outrageous claim (while generally attempting to trash Vincent Bugliosi's fabulous JFK book at the same time) that ALL of the Parkland Hospital doctors (not just some of them, but "all" of them, per Mr. Groden) agreed that President Kennedy had a bullet entry hole visible in the right temple at the front of his head.

Quoting Groden from his September 2008 BlackOpRadio appearance -- "They [the Parkland doctors] saw an entrance wound in the right temporal area and an exit wound in the back of his head; and they're unanimous about it; well, Bugliosi ignores all of that."

Now, I'd like for Mr. Groden to dig up the testimony (or any other post-1964 comments) of the Parkland doctors, and then point out within those doctors' quotes where they say (in "unanimous" fashion, no less!) that they specifically saw a bullet hole in the "right temporal area" of President Kennedy's head on November 22, 1963.

That "unanimous" comment about all of the Dallas doctors seeing an entry hole in the right temple of JFK's head is just an outright lie....and surely Mr. Groden must know that it is.

Bob Groden should be embarrassed at having to resort to spreading utterly-false information to the public via an Internet radio program in order to continue the 45-year-long charade of a "JFK Conspiracy".

Groden, in the BlackOp interview, goes on to claim that Vince Bugliosi "ignores" the HSCA's acoustics evidence. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. Bugliosi spends page after page after page in the endnotes of his book ("Reclaiming History") talking about the acoustics/Dictabelt evidence.

And, of course, Bugliosi also tells his reading audience the truth about that supposed evidence for "conspiracy" -- i.e., it's bogus evidence. Plain and simple. It's junk. It's just about as worthless as you can get.

And yet, still, in 2008, we have people like Robert J. Groden going on Internet radio shows and singing the praises of the acoustics/Dictabelt evidence that was propped up 30 years ago by the HSCA as representing a "95 percent or greater" chance that there was a second gunman firing at JFK in Dealey Plaza.

But what Mr. Groden "ignores" is far worse for his "case for conspiracy", and that is the fact that the acoustics evidence has been deemed invalid and not credible by a variety of different experts. One of those being Dale K. Myers:

http://jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/acoustics.htm

Also:

In another portion of Mr. Groden's BlackOp appearance, another incredible "head in the sand" moment occurs with respect to another chunk of evidence in the JFK case -- Groden is still trying to promote the blatantly false idea that Governor Connally was sitting "directly in front" of JFK in the Presidential limousine on 11/22/63, instead of Connally sitting a few inches to the left of Kennedy.

But just one glance at some of the pre-assassination motorcade pictures showing the two men in the limousine will tell anyone that Groden is just--well--full of feces when he claims that Connally was situated "directly in front" of John Kennedy:





Plus: the body draft (schematic) of JFK's limo from Hess & Eisenhardt is further proof that Connally was sitting somewhat "inboard" (to the left) of Kennedy's position in the limousine. And whether you want to argue that the jump seat was 6 inches inboard of the back seat or 2.5 inches inboard, the H&E schematic certainly shows the jump seat to positively be inboard of the back seat.

And since we can see (via various motorcade photographs taken on November 22) that JFK was jammed pretty much all the way to the far-right of his back seat during the Dallas motorcade, this makes it even more certain that Mr. Groden doesn't know what he's talking about with respect to the two victims' seated positions in relation to each other.

But as long as Bob Groden has a conspiracy-slanted book to sell from his newsstand on the steps near the Grassy Knoll in Dealey Plaza, he'll continue to stay inside his cocoon of never-ending and never-proven conspiracies regarding the death of the 35th U.S. President.

And he's got a new book coming out soon, called "JFK: Absolute Proof", wherein--get this--Mr. Groden is going to tell the world where JFK's brain is located at this very moment. He's got proof of it! And photographs! (Yeah, right.)

It's a shame really (and quite sad), because Mr. Groden is a good speaker. He can make a good speech, and I actually enjoy listening to him talk. His theories about the assassination are totally crazy and idiotic, of course, such as his notion (per his 1993 book "The Killing Of A President") that it was highly likely that ZERO of a proposed number of up to TEN gunshots had come from Oswald's sniper's window in the Texas School Book Depository on November 22nd. [LOL.]*

* = OCTOBER 2011 EDIT: Bob Groden has now decided that even more than ten shots were probably fired in Dealey Plaza. He has increased his fanciful number of gunshots to 15, as of April 2011. More details HERE.

But I still kind of like listening to him talk, despite his nutty views on the way the assassination occurred.

It's just too bad that a little more common sense hasn't been able to seep into the many talks he's given to the crowds who have gathered to listen to him on the Grassy Knoll.

Because if more conspiracy promoters would cling to just a little more "CS&L" (Common Sense & Logic) when evaluating the JFK murder, they'd probably soon thereafter find themselves promoting Vincent Bugliosi's book, instead of calling it "bullshit" (which is the term Mr. Groden thinks best applies to Mr. Bugliosi's magnificent tome).

David Von Pein
September 2008
December 2010

LINK TO ORIGINAL POST (SEPTEMBER 19, 2008)


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