JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 1341)


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Located at my webpage below are several pre-1963 newspaper articles concerning Lee Harvey Oswald's attempt to defect to Russia in 1959. Some interesting reading indeed:



Somewhat incredibly, the "Oswald Defection" story made the front page of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram for two consecutive days, on both October 31 and November 1, 1959.

The fact that Lee and his older brother, Robert, resided in Fort Worth no doubt was the primary reason for why the Oswald/Russia story was featured so prominently in the Fort Worth press.


MIKE JACKSON SAID [REFERRING TO ANOTHER HEADLINE THAT APPEARED IN THIS 10/31/59 EDITION OF THE FORT WORTH PAPER]:

Did they find the 27 people?




DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Yes. But, sadly, 26 of them were dead ----> Click Here.


RON SCHUSTER SAID:

The Oswald story would not have made the newspaper if it was any normal case of somebody wanting to go to Russia. Seems to me that this item in the paper is part of matriculating a patsy.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Which must mean you think Oswald was being set up as "The Patsy" more than a year before JFK even became President. (Talk about your forward-thinking patsy framers.)

David Von Pein
August 21-22, 2020









JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 1340)


A CONSPIRACY THEORIST SAID:

How do you explain that the DPD/FBI found no oil or instruments to clean a rifle at either Oak Cliff or Irving?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

It proves nothing. That's nothing more than another one of the many, many very weak "chaff" arguments that have been dredged up by conspiracy theorists since 1963.

There's no rule in the "Assassin's Guidebook" that demands Oswald have oil or cleaning implements at his home(s) to use on his weapons.

The much BETTER evidence is: We know Lee Harvey Oswald owned and possessed both the Smith & Wesson .38 revolver and Mannlicher-Carcano rifle #C2766 in 1963. That's an undeniable fact...with or without a few cleaning supplies at the ready.

Plus: Why do CTers think that EVERY last question MUST be officially answered with ironclad certainty in order to arrive at a reasonable conclusion with respect to virtually every aspect of this murder case?

Can you think of ANY other case in history where the jury at a murder trial had to have EVERY SINGLE LAST QUESTION MARK associated with the whole case totally eradicated in order to arrive at a "Guilty Beyond Reasonable Doubt" verdict?

If the ultra-demanding criteria that conspiracy theorists insist be met by Lone Assassin believers regarding every last question in the JFK and J.D. Tippit murder cases were ever to be applied to a "regular" (non-"sensational") murder case anywhere else in the world, all prisons would be empty....because no killer could ever be convicted when utilizing the ridiculous "ALL QUESTION MARKS MUST BE COMPLETELY ELIMINATED" rules that are often imposed by JFK conspiracy theorists.

David Von Pein
September 25, 2007









JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 1339)


JOHN McADAMS SAID:

On the History News Network, an essay from Max Holland and Johann Rush that puts the first shot in Dealey Plaza much earlier than anybody else has:

http://hnn.us/articles/35445.html


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

An interesting theory.

Although such an early first shot would mean that John Connally's "first-shot right turn" (which IMO begins at about Z164) would have occurred approximately 3 to 4 seconds after he heard the first shot. ....

"We had gone, I guess, 150 feet, maybe 200 feet, I don't recall how far it was, heading down to get on the freeway....we had just made the turn, well, when I heard what I thought was a shot. I heard this noise which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right shoulder." -- John B. Connally

In one breath Connally says "150-200 feet"; but then says "we had just made the turn". So we have a choice there. Hard to know. Although Connally might consider two-thirds of a football field in distance the same as "just [after making] the turn". It's a subjective thing I suppose.

Of course, a first shot occurring when the limo was practically in the Elm/Houston intersection probably wouldn't go over too well with the many witnesses who claim that JFK was HIT by that first shot and threw his hands up to his throat almost immediately after being hit with that shot.

Such a "first-shot hit" to Kennedy would mean an absurdly lengthy delay for JFK to react to the "hit" -- about 6 to 7 seconds. As it is, a "hit" to JFK at Z190-Z200 (as many conspiracy theorists believe) equates to a still-too-long (IMO) delay in an initial JFK reaction of 2 seconds or so.

Plus, any type of "First Shot Hit JFK" theory (with the shot coming 11 seconds prior to the Z313 head shot, should any CTer wish to combine some elements of this new theory with their own theories) is utterly impossible anyway, given the fact we can see (via the Z-Film) that JFK has definitely NOT been hit as of Z187, because he's still smiling and waving in the Z180s.

My gut instinct is still telling me, though, that the Z160 first-shot timeline is closer to being correct -- based on Connally's "immediately" recognizing this shot as a rifle shot and his reaction of "instinctively" turning to his right as a result of this shot at approximately Z164 and also based on the "Rifle Always Pointing Southwest" manner in which Oswald pre-arranged those rifle-rest boxes in the window.

IMO, Oswald placed those boxes in that window in such a manner so that he had every intention from the get-go of only shooting at the President after the car was well onto Elm Street....which also makes sense from the standpoint that the Secret Service agents would, by that time, all have their backs to the assassin, making quick return fire very difficult.

Plus: What about James Tague's injury? Is the "traffic pole" shot supposed to also double as the Tague shot?

I know a lot of people favor the idea that a head-shot fragment hit James Tague by the Triple Underpass. But I just can't totally buy into that theory. That bullet was darn-near completely spent by the time it reached the windshield (which a large fragment couldn't even penetrate).

I just find it hard to believe that a fragment would have enough energy after striking JFK's head to get out to Tague's position on Main Street, chip that curb, and then send shards up to draw blood on Tague's cheek.

I don't completely rule out that possibility, but I favor the "first-shot miss at Z160 hit Tague" theory. It just makes more sense in the long run to me. YMMV.

Anyway, the "traffic pole" theory is an intriguing one. However, the Warren Commission Exhibit No. 886 doesn't seem to show any obstruction in the shooter's line of sight. Of course, if the picture had been snapped a second or so on either side of the "A" position in CE886, perhaps the traffic pole would be in the picture.

Here's a really good view of what Oswald would have had in his way (obstruction-wise) if he had fired a shot while the car was near the intersection of Elm & Houston (this is CE875, part of the Secret Service album of photos during the SS re-staging of events in December 1963):



Another thing that doesn't bode well for the very early first shot is when we compare the following two pictures (and the reactions of the Secret Service agents). In the Phil Willis slide, no SS men are turned toward the Book Depository in reaction to hearing a shot. In Jim Altgens' photo, two SS men are turned directly toward the TSBD.

Altgens' picture equates to about Zapruder frame #255, after the second (SBT) shot has gone through both victims. I think Willis' pic equates to Z202, which would be 5.17 seconds after any proposed "traffic pole" shot, and yet there's not a sign of "awareness" of this shot by the Secret Service. That's a pretty lengthy delay. ....







DAVID VON PEIN LATER SAID:

Abe Zapruder's WFAA interview is interesting too (in a manner that doesn't do Max Holland's theory any favors)....

"...As the President was coming down from Houston Street making its turn, it was about halfway down there, I heard a shot. And he slumped to the side, like this. Then I heard another shot or two, I couldn't say whether it was one or two, and I saw his head practically open up..." -- Abraham Zapruder; WFAA-TV interview; 11/22/63




ANDREW MASON SAID:

How, exactly, [does] Zapruder's recollection support a z160 first shot miss?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

It doesn't specifically do that. And I never claimed it did, did I?

My point was that Zapruder's WFAA account does harm to Holland's "11 Seconds In Dallas" theory....which it does, via Zapruder's words -- "About halfway down there, I heard a shot" [meaning the FIRST shot he heard, based on what he said just after that "halfway" quote].

But, as an aside, Zapruder's WFAA recollections certainly are closer to supporting a Z160 shot than a first shot that comes way down by the Elm/Houston intersection.

David Von Pein
February 17-22, 2007












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