JOHN DUNCAN SAID:
The Warren Commission claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald took a cab after he left a bus following the assassination. They then said that the cab ride lasted about five minutes and thirty seconds. Really? Why did William Whaley say something different?
BILL BROWN SAID:
The Secret Service and the FBI reconstructed Oswald's steps (with the help of Cecil McWatters and William Whaley) in an attempt the determine the absolute earliest that Oswald could have reached the rooming house.
Based on McWatters' statement of where it was that Oswald boarded the bus (we know Oswald boarded that bus because he had McWatters' specific bus transfer and McWatters said he issued that transfer to only one woman and only one man), Oswald walked about seven blocks east (into the downtown area) after he left the Depository within three minutes of the shooting.
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They concluded, based on what McWatters told them (along with the Secret Service agents and FBI agents walking the route in an average time of six and a half minutes), that Oswald boarded the bus around 12:40 near the intersection of Field St. and Elm St. and then, after being on the bus for no more than four minutes, Oswald got off the bus near Lamar St. and Elm St. (asking for the transfer as he got off the bus).
So now we have Oswald leaving the bus around 12:44.
Oswald then walked three to four short blocks to the Greyhound station where he boarded Whaley's cab. This has Oswald entering the cab around 12:48.
They then, with Whaley, reconstructed the cab ride from the Greyhound to the intersection of Beckley and Neely (Oswald got out of the cab on Beckley just north of the intersection with Neely). They concluded (using a stopwatch) that the cab ride took five minutes and thirty seconds.
So now we have Oswald exiting Whaley's cab on Beckley at 12:53-12:54.
Still using the stopwatch, they concluded that it was a five minute and forty-five second walk from the point Oswald exited the cab back to the rooming house.
I think Oswald got to the rooming house between 12:58 and 1:00 and was back in his room just long enough to grab a jacket before hurrying out the door, zipping up the jacket as he went out the door.
JOHN DUNCAN SAID:
Please quote McWatters saying that Oswald was on his bus and he gave him a transfer. Then quote Whaley describing a man that matched what Oswald was wearing.
Whaley said before the WC [Warren Commission] that it took longer to get to Oswald's roominghouse than what the WC claimed.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
The overriding question I always have for conspiracy believers when it comes to the "bus" and "cab" topics is:
What possible good enough reason would the authorities have had for faking a bus ride and a cab ride for Lee Oswald on 11/22/63? Because even without those rides, we know for a fact that Oswald was definitely inside the Book Depository Building at 12:32 PM and then he left the building very shortly thereafter.
Do conspiracy theorists think the authorities were so terrified of the idea that Oswald might have been taken to Oak Cliff by an accomplice that they just decided to invent a different mode of transportation for Oswald (the bus and cab)?
Again---why would anyone truly WANT to create such a charade? A charade which doesn't do anything to prove LHO was a guilty assassin.
This whole topic is nothing but more nonsense invented by people who want a cover-up and police misconduct to exist in the JFK murder case. Nothing more.
BILL BROWN SAID:
And how does it work exactly? You're the FBI and you ask both McWatters and Whaley to lie. Okay, fair enough. But what happens when/if these two fine fellows refuse to go along with the narrative to frame the patsy? If you're the FBI, do you just make them "mysteriously" disappear? Many conspiracy theories are NOT thought out all the way through to fruition.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Precisely, Bill. Good points.
But in the "CTer Universe", whatever (or WHOever) is needed to make The Big Patsy Plan work, "they" somehow manage to get it done. Right down to forcing many witnesses to lie their asses off for decades on end --- McWatters, Whaley, Randle, Frazier, Truly, Baker, Brennan, Norman, and God knows how many others.
Can someone say ENOUGH ALREADY! I can.
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
And I forgot one other important witness (who is treated like pure filth by conspiracists) --- Mary Bledsoe.
FRANK BURGHARDT SAID:
If Oswald got in a car and not the bus, wouldn't that point to an accomplice? Or at least another person worth questioning?
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Yes, it certainly would. And there was a rumor very shortly after the assassination that a "Negro" had picked up Oswald in a car right after the shooting. Police Chief Jesse Curry was still reporting that particular rumor to the press on Saturday (November 23).
"If this is so [that Oswald was picked up by somebody in a car], we would certainly like to find him." -- Jesse E. Curry; 11/23/63
But if that really had happened---so what? So be it. Why would the cops feel that World War 3 was on the horizon tomorrow if Oswald had a ride home on 11/22? If he had an accomplice, that fact would have been investigated by the Dallas Police and the FBI.
(Should I put an obligatory "IMHO" after my last sentence?) 😁
David Von Pein
November 18, 2021
