MISC. JFK POSTS OF INTEREST
(PART 28)


OSWALD'S MANNLICHER-CARCANO AND THE PAPER SACK:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/wmLxlIBa6QI/npB9enLUbBYJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/wmLxlIBa6QI/XLLPF91BjnkJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/wmLxlIBa6QI/gnB5vnBGwM0J
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/wmLxlIBa6QI/kA2iGJcdK0kJ


OSWALD'S SHIRTS:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/w6WjJw6nWV8/rdDEN7sFmyEJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/w6WjJw6nWV8/_yAW5ubOsBwJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/w6WjJw6nWV8/Mbg_N-5PTMwJ


OSWALD'S PANTS:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/w6WjJw6nWV8/Bi3j0njWFQsJ


OSWALD'S PRINTS:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/w6WjJw6nWV8/ctJsF_7JpakJ


OSWALD'S REVOLVER AND OSWALD'S BULLETS:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/w6WjJw6nWV8/cMswi95_FwIJ


MARY BLEDSOE:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/w6WjJw6nWV8/00Zs1VNKUucJ


EVALUATING THE "TOTALITY":
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/ucdKk7VjwCo/vI0WElI7qwEJ


"RECLAIMING HISTORY":
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/yNGCUvpcGy0/FOILVPqDwLkJ


MAYBE I'D BETTER STAY OUT OF THE SHOWER:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/Mht9oQznp-0/vQ5rh9ysrb0J


BULLET EVIDENCE:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/hx-0lbJdX9I/lejBiseRLc4J


AUTOPSY RESTRICTIONS:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/s9_JFvuD0Us/RymWEhFeMUYJ


A STRANGE BREED:
http://amazon.com/David-Von-Pein/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/wmLxlIBa6QI/8v7j5cLw_G4J
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/krJkdaebr50/9vb0ode5NN4J
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/w6WjJw6nWV8/00LhDgJI9-UJ



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MISC. JFK POSTS OF INTEREST
(PART 27)


A PATSY PLOT DESIGNED BY CRACKHEADS:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/wVgasBMbr0E/ETzJgAhansIJ


GOVERNOR CONNALLY'S JUMP SEAT:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/NfvTshPvTYY/8frDYR7vCPUJ


"NOT ALTERED IN ANY MANNER":
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/mD9hzbyvbo8/-UybHU_Q5KAJ


TAKING THE FULL RAP:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/LqYy11IOYTw/RgAQCn9D3TwJ


LEE OSWALD, JACK RUBY, JACK KENNEDY, AND JAMES BOND:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/Cbp0VULH8t0/DFHFVN_7qcAJ


VINCENT BUGLIOSI:
http://amazon.com/review/R3D0K582YHA2R0


HAROLD NORMAN:
http://amazon.com/David-Von-Pein/forum/Harold Norman
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/Harold Norman (Part 1)
http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/Harold Norman


JFK'S THROAT WOUND:
http://amazon.com/forum/John F. Kennedy's Throat Wound


OSWALD, HIS JACKET, AND THE TIPPIT MURDER:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/w0D0MQet1JQ/BkDrbLmLEecJ


THE SBT:
http://amazon.com/David-Von-Pein/forum/The Single-Bullet Theory
http://amazon.com/David-Von-Pein/forum/More SBT Talk


THE HEAD SHOT:
http://amazon.com/David-Von-Pein/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A


THE EOP:
http://amazon.com/David-Von-Pein/forum/001
http://amazon.com/David-Von-Pein/forum/002
http://amazon.com/David-Von-Pein/forum/003


BACKWARD LOGIC:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/ipJQffCnZTA/pmWQSnNp3uUJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/ipJQffCnZTA/Tl721yeZPEsJ
http://amazon.com/David-Von-Pein/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A



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JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 705)


ANTHONY MARSH SAID:

No SBT has worked yet.


DAVID EMERLING SAID:

What do you find faulty with the trajectory depicted in CE903?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Oh Lord, David! Don't get Tony Marsh started on CE903 again! It's a downright howl when he starts in on that.

Tony evidently thinks that Arlen Specter should have impaled the JFK stand-in with the metal rod that is seen in CE903, so that the rod could then have been placed THROUGH the MIDDLE part of the stand-in's back. This, of course, WOULD have been the ideal thing to do for Mr. Specter and the Warren Commission in CE903.

But, since Specter didn't feel like murdering a human being by driving a metal rod through his body, then Specter had to settle for the next best thing, which is just what we find in CE903, which is a WC exhibit that provides excellent support (of a demonstrative and photographic nature) that the Single-Bullet Theory WORKS.

If Specter's rod were to be moved a little to the LEFT of where we see it in CE903 (to the "left", that is, from Specter's POV), it would place the bullet entry wound in the middle portion of the UPPER BACK of the JFK stand-in (not the "neck" of the stand-in), proving that the WC did not require the entry wound in Kennedy's upper back to be "moved" up into the "neck" in order for the SBT to work.

Many/most conspiracy theorists do think, however, that the Warren Commission HAD to have the wound located in the "NECK" of President Kennedy in order for the SBT angles to work out properly. But, as we can easily see via CE903, that's simply not the case at all.

No "IN THE NECK" entry wound is needed at all. In fact, if the entry wound had been as high as the "neck" of JFK, the SBT angle would be destroyed. Anti-SBT conspiracy kooks, though, never seem to realize this fact, even after gazing upon the excellent Warren Commission exhibit known as CE903.




David Von Pein
September 15, 2009




JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 704)


WALTER CAKEBREAD SAID:

If the gun involved is a .38 SW revolver and the extractor won't remove them, then all the shaking in the world isn't going to help. The extractor is a mechanical device that makes physical contact under
the rim of the spent shell and actually lifts the shell out of the chamber. Shaking is merely a non contact action that would accomplish NOTHING.


DAVID R. VON PEIN SAID:

So what?

Even if you are 100% correct about this, it doesn't mean Oswald WASN'T ATTEMPTING TO SHAKE SHELLS OUT OF HIS REVOLVER ANYWAY.

Oswald, undoubtedly, was attempting (any way he possibly could) to get rid of the spent shells left behind in his gun's cylinder/chamber after he had just fired four or five bullets at Patrolman Tippit.

Oswald, in addition to the "shaking" method, probably was also continuing to utilize the plunger as well, in order to get the damn shells out of the gun so he could reload in a hurry.

Now, whether the "shaking" method employed on Tenth Street by Oswald was, in fact, effective or not is largely immaterial to this discussion. The fact remains that the gunman (IDed by many people as Lee H. Oswald) was shaking his gun in order to try to dislodge some stuck cartridge cases from it (in an obvious attempt to try to quickly reload the weapon to use on other potential victims after he left the Tippit murder scene).

And this "shaking the gun" activity (plus the fact that all of the spent shell casings were found near the corner of 10th Street & Patton Avenue after the shooting, instead of being found right next to Tippit's police car) provides concrete proof that the ONE AND ONLY GUN that was used to kill Patrolman J.D. Tippit of the Dallas Police Department on 11/22/63 was NOT AN AUTOMATIC WEAPON.

David Von Pein
April 2, 2008






MISC. JFK POSTS OF INTEREST
(PART 26)


A SINGLE BULLET:
http://amazon.com/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A-001
http://amazon.com/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A-002
http://amazon.com/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A-003
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/MCFh-s3yh1o/KK1XKaYhi_gJ


JEAN DAVISON:
https://alt.assassination.jfk/WeAQLhckvnA/rqe6pEdOFCIJ
https://alt.assassination.jfk/WeAQLhckvnA/slNeD1jSs4MJ
http://Oswalds-Game.blogspot.com


RUTH PAINE, DVP, AND RICHMOND, INDIANA:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/e8vKdorVOuk/5oPM8ZpLix0J


ODDBALL OSWALD:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/539xg1CT-N0/0FKyhADmFWkJ


LIAR OSWALD:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/539xg1CT-N0/n5fxrphlyegJ


OSWALD'S PACKAGE:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/2zidjrNB9Nw/KuOg05qasIgJ


THE BULLET HOLES IN JOHN F. KENNEDY'S THROAT AND UPPER BACK:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/MCFh-s3yh1o/QtYrxstDTPwJ


HELEN MARKHAM AND TIPPIT'S CAR WINDOW:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/b4wXEk5keTI/wkGX8XaCuw0J


NSAM 263 & 273:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/g9vvpbFlmCU/LcWlI9rvqzMJ


MARGUERITE OSWALD:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/gYVD1x0EkkA/wcoOcSIY3KsJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/iCdSpObN-kE/a8x0-MozrmkJ


SOUND THE KOOK ALARM AGAIN:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/Up2LTCgt7Ek/rqm7xe-Ka8EJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/2zidjrNB9Nw/n8FYqzclcAYJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/lFovRbtOmyk/AASsQTKwHUoJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/JW5yqC82dfE/9oa0XQqkt8EJ



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JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 703)


RE: The "curtain rods" issue.....

Why would Lee Oswald have had any desire at all to put up some curtain rods in his shoebox-sized room on Beckley Avenue in Oak Cliff in late November of 1963?

The reason I ask the above question is because it's quite clear from the testimony of Marina Oswald that LHO had every reason to think that he might very well be moving out of his Beckley room very soon, possibly as soon as November 22nd, per Marina's Warren Commission testimony, with Marina telling the Commission that Lee said to her on the night of 11/21/63 that he would "rent an apartment in Dallas tomorrow" if only Marina would agree to come back to Dallas and live with him again.

So, via such a scenario, why would Lee Oswald be wanting to put up curtains and/or curtain rods in his tiny Beckley Avenue room (which was obviously a room that was way too small to accommodate FOUR people -- Lee, Marina, Rachel, and Junie)?

Oswald's "curtain rods" story was obviously a big fat lie -- and a two-pronged lie that would provide Lee with a good excuse for going to Irving on a Thursday night with Buell Wesley Frazier....and an excuse for the contents of the large paper bag LHO carried with him to work on Friday morning, November 22nd.

And unless some conspiracy theorists want to pretend that Marina Oswald was an evil liar too (as some CTers do probably believe, sans any proof of such a charge), the following 1964 quote from her lips, in my opinion, drives an additional nail into Lee Harvey Oswald's "curtain rods" coffin, because of these words -- "If I want to he would rent an apartment in Dallas tomorrow":

MARINA OSWALD -- "On that day [11/21/63], he [LHO] suggested that we rent an apartment in Dallas. He said that he was tired of living alone and perhaps the reason for my being so angry was the fact that we were not living together. That if I want to he would rent an apartment in Dallas tomorrow, that he didn't want me to remain with Ruth any longer, but wanted me to live with him in Dallas."

David Von Pein
September 14, 2009







JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 702)


GREG PARKER SAID:

If it [Buell Wesley Frazier charging his battery after arriving at work] was legitimate on 11/22/63, it would have been legitimate on all other occasions Frazier gave Oswald a ride to work. NO evidence suggests that. He testified that they always walked together previously.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Why couldn't Oswald (on previous occasions) have simply waited for Wesley until after Wesley had charged his battery in the parking lot--and then they walked to work together? Is that an impossible solution?


GREG PARKER SAID:

These people (including the brother-in-law) where under suspicion - and on face value at least - some of their actions *were* suspicious and warranted investigating into possible links to a conspiracy.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Of course Buell was under some degree of "suspicion" at first. I'd have looked into his actions too (if I'd been a DPD member that weekend). After all, it was Wesley who drove the accused assassin to work on the day the President was killed. And Wesley drove Oswald to Irving the previous night. They were together in the car twice on Nov. 21-22. This cannot be said about Oswald and any OTHER human being on those 2 days. (Unless you want to count cab driver Whaley and bus driver McWatters.)

And the police DID investigate a possible "conspiracy link" between Oswald and Frazier -- just as they should have, given the circumstances that had the two of them riding to work in the same car.

For all the cops knew at that early stage, perhaps Oswald and Wesley were very good friends and associates. They couldn't know they weren't until they checked out both Oz and Wesley, which they did.

And what was found that would lead to a Frazier/Oswald "conspiracy plot"? -- Answer: Not a darn thing.

It's kind of funny -- CTers gripe about the Warren Commission and the Dallas Police Department (et al) not looking deep enough for a "plot" of some kind....but when the cops DO investigate a person (Frazier) for a possible connection to the crime (and find nothing), it seems that CTers still gripe....because they found NOTHING they could hang on Mr. Buell Frazier.

~shrug~

David Von Pein
March 10, 2008







MISC. JFK POSTS OF INTEREST
(PART 25)


WAS THERE A BULLET IN THE OPERATING ROOM?:
http://amazon.com/forum/A Bullet In The O.R.?


JEAN HILL:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/XODvkHFdw5o/KEY1yMQ58G4J
http://dvp-video-audio-archive/Jean Hill & Mary Moorman


CAPTAIN J. WILL FRITZ:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/tItYWkh1YFM/0wytCSKUM8QJ


LIEUTENANT J.C. DAY:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/Uz69BRFgsLw/UlSQs8BNH3kJ


"PROVEN":
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/MCFh-s3yh1o/8n1_uAQDUPgJ


ABRAHAM ZAPRUDER'S FILM:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/_tLWL_plIz8/8IUjsuGVicIJ


A "201" FILE:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/vH60K3152tA/_q-CIyZSrRIJ


GUN-SHAKING ON TENTH STREET:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/ndnS7zMVpMs/C2Y1bF2OpZQJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/ndnS7zMVpMs/KYmcoA4cYzQJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/ndnS7zMVpMs/DCHTU6I5GQoJ


JACKETS:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/Uz69BRFgsLw/0rmJjXqpFFEJ


WARREN COMMISSION EXHIBIT #903:
http://amazon.com/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A-001
http://amazon.com/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A-002
http://amazon.com/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A-003


SUMMARY OF OSWALD'S GUILT (WARREN REPORT; PAGE 195):
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/LhOCTw2Y17s/oKycBaL6k0YJ


WALT BROWN:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/MCFh-s3yh1o/W3_I0_yIp44J


"JFK: BEYOND THE MAGIC BULLET":
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/MCFh-s3yh1o/vXOfEXfoj7UJ
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/Beyond The Magic Bullet


MORE STUFF MANGLED BY JAMES DiEUGENIO:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/ggI0eInal8M/2mTN63lsWJEJ



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MISC. JFK POSTS OF INTEREST
(PART 24)


JACK RUBY:
http://amazon.com/review/R3MUUZV2TRZX2R


RICHARD CASE NAGELL:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/MCFh-s3yh1o/S48-OGfmdQ4J


THE RIFLE:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/ipJQffCnZTA/-kUuw336NaoJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/3pIiMh4ewl8/pbXzUBhe8SgJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/3pIiMh4ewl8/MiIHSZIdvd0J


FINGERPRINTS ON J.D. TIPPIT'S POLICE CAR:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/JTxGkSYZrZ4/nG2dieQioTEJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/JTxGkSYZrZ4/RLV1XnQad9gJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/JTxGkSYZrZ4/86JOqhbfQMkJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/JTxGkSYZrZ4/hGh9oLccuQAJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/JTxGkSYZrZ4/ah_DZghvX50J
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/JTxGkSYZrZ4/3FuqZpgFlywJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/JTxGkSYZrZ4/bgbyK6z8eHMJ


A BIG HOLE IN THE REAR OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S HEAD....OR NOT?:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/kHg6dr1tJA8/6il_ZoJn3vEJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/lDqIC-IFiRg/MB8b9EJghD8J
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/lDqIC-IFiRg/eWbTNQQ9VQ0J


HAVING LOADS OF ADDITIONAL FUN WITH RABID CONSPIRACISTS:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/kHg6dr1tJA8/MO7_vMn9w50J
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/lDqIC-IFiRg/KgLVevd4Ul8J
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/XODvkHFdw5o/RYjMYHSNMnMJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/Uz69BRFgsLw/KT63W8PRmiMJ
https://alt.assassination.jfk/UrIYljCGX9Y/nN5d7o4rBH0J



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JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 701)


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

One thing that tells me that Jim DiEugenio is completely wrong when it comes to his anti-Bugliosi obsession is the mere fact that he can seemingly write and write and write some more on the subject of Mr. Bugliosi's so-called errors and distortions and misrepresentations and omissions and lies, etc.

And seeing this kind of absurd "VB Overload" on DiEugenio's part, I have to ask myself this question (which is the same question that all reasonable people should be asking who know anything about the internal character and moral fiber of Mr. Vincent T. Bugliosi) -- How could it be physically possible to ACCURATELY berate and verbally smear a book written by Vincent Bugliosi in such extreme and non-stop fashion as Jim DiEugenio is doing in his multi-part book review?

And after pondering the above inquiry, the only logical answer I can arrive at is this answer -- It's not possible.

Which means, in the final analysis, that James DiEugenio cannot possibly be correct in ALL NINE PARTS [later to be ten] of his anti-VB book review.

It is simply not POSSIBLE for Mr. Bugliosi to be incorrect, as James DiEugenio believes he is, concerning all of the various sub-topics (dozens? hundreds?) relating to the assassination of President Kennedy that appear within Bugliosi's massively complete 2007 book, "Reclaiming History".

In other words -- Jim DiEugenio's pro-conspiracy SUBJECTIVISM must certainly be the prime motivation and the driving force behind his interminably lengthy anti-Bugliosi critique. Any other explanation for such wildly overblown and overdone criticism of such a scholarly, well-documented, and well-sourced book like "Reclaiming History" defies all belief.


PAT SPEER SAID:

Your post makes no sense, David. Bugliosi spent 2600 pages talking about the assassination--at least half of this was him arguing against other people's viewpoints. So now DiEugenio spends a hundred or so pages arguing against Bugliosi's viewpoint--and you call this obsessed?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Yes, I do.

As I said previously, DiEugenio is in "VB Overload" mode. And anyone who knows anything at all about Vince Bugliosi--THE MAN himself--would instantly recognize DiEugenio's continual and seemingly never-ending attacks on Bugliosi's magnum opus as being way, way "over the top".

And DiEugenio's nit-picking certainly doesn't win him any CT medals either (and, yes, Jim is nit-picking in many instances in his soon-to-be NINE-PART "review").


PAT SPEER SAID:

And [you, DVP] infer from this that he must be wrong about a lot of it?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Yes, absolutely. I do infer that very thing you just said. Jim's subjectivism is on full display every step of the way in his Everything Bugliosi Says Is Dead Wrong review (especially in the double-length segment on the Garrison case; but since Jim D. is a Garrison-ite personified, I don't think I need to elaborate further on Jim's motives for making that portion of his "review" a double-length diatribe).


PAT SPEER SAID:

Well...ding ding ding--doesn't the same hold true for your hero Bugliosi? Mustn't he be wrong about a lot of stuff, too? If not, why not?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Because Vince has a little thing called THE HARD FACTS on his side. Could that be it, Pat?

On the other hand, people like Mr. DiEugenio do everything within their power to completely ignore (or mangle) those HARD FACTS surrounding President Kennedy's death.

Of course, that type of shameful behavior on the part of Warren Commission critics is nothing new. Just look at Mark Lane and Jim Garrison for two high-profile examples of "evidence manglers". They are/were two of the best in that department (IMO).

You, Pat Speer, are much like DiEugenio, in that you are so firmly entrenched in chasing shadows and make-believe theories that you cannot (or will not) see the Oswald-Did-It forest for the trees. And that Oz-Did-It forest is a HUGE FOREST too....without question.

Although, Pat, I do have to give you more credit on some things than most other conspiracy theorists....because at least you acknowledge the fact that the head shot came from the REAR.

You've got the specifics of that rear head shot all screwed up (naturally), and you know that the ONLY AVAILABLE MEDICAL EVIDENCE does not support your theory about WHERE that bullet entered Kennedy's head....but at least you don't think Jimmy Files did it with a Fireball from behind the picket fence. And for that, I salute you. :)


PAT SPEER SAID:

One should consider that Bugliosi wrote letters to editors claiming even CTs like David Mantik agreed that his book was brilliant. He was thereby quoting Mantik out of context. Mantik, if I recall, said something like Bugliosi's book was a brilliant prosecutor's brief, but a failure as history.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

You're 100% correct about that, Pat. And I've written some Internet pieces concerning that very subject [two of which are HERE and HERE].

However, I think it's quite possible that Bugliosi (still to this day) hasn't read Dr. Mantik's ENTIRE "Reclaiming History" book review. It's possible that Vince's publisher (W.W. Norton) culled Mantik's "it is a masterpiece" blurb on their own (and they probably did), and then put those out-of-context words on the "RH" website and also in Bugliosi's 2008 JFK paperback book, "Four Days In November". But I'm still wondering if Mr. Bugliosi HIMSELF really knows that that blurb was taken out of context?

But, you're right, that was a dirty trick by the publishers (but not necessarily by Vincent himself), because that Mantik blurb should never have been used to promote Bugliosi's two JFK books ("RH" and "Four Days").

In fact, on June 12th, 2008, I went so far as to send an e-mail to Vincent Bugliosi's secretary about the Mantik blurb. Here's an excerpt from that e-mail:

"I'm actually kind of embarrassed for Vince when I see those two brief review blurbs of Mantik's showing up online at the RH site, because they are also taken totally out of context. Mantik is actually bashing the book and its author--not praising it/him. .... It makes it look as if the publisher (Norton) is so desperate for ANY kind of praise from the pro-conspiracy crowd that they are willing to bend the context of Mantik's words to suit their own pro-RH purposes. And that's not a good thing at all, in my view." -- DVP; 06/12/08


PAT SPEER SAID:

Anyhow...DiEugenio has as much right to criticize Bugliosi as Bugliosi did to criticize Stone. How can you have a problem with that?


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Yes, Mr. DiEugenio has every right to write whatever he pleases....about Mr. Bugliosi or anyone else. And he has done so.

But, likewise, I have every right to totally disagree with him (in print). And I do.

David Von Pein
August 31, 2009






JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 700)


Subject: Re: JFK'S ASSASSINATION
Date: 9/12/2009 5:33:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: "Ted" [full name unknown]
To: David Von Pein

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Regardless what postings [you] have on site[,] it doesn't take a ballistic expert nor physics expert to see that Oswald could not have fired the 2 entry shots into JFK[,] not from the angle nor height he was "supposedly" located!


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Subject: Re: JFK'S ASSASSINATION
Date: 9/12/2009 9:46:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: David Von Pein
To: "Ted"

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Total nonsense. Oswald could easily have done it. And he did.

Case closed.

You've probably been reading too much Lifton (and Groden).


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Subject: Re: JFK'S ASSASSINATION
Date: 9/12/2009 10:15:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: "Ted"
To: David Von Pein

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I did my own research and it was obvious there were 3 shooters and Oswald was not one of them[,] as he was in the book depository "kichen" [sic] sipping on a "COKE" when the shootings occured [sic]. [You] only give one version[,] which is totaly [sic] wrong. Reread my 1st [message] on this and reply if willing!


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Subject: Lee Harvey Oswald's Guilt
Date: 9/12/2009 10:58:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: David Von Pein
To: "Ted"

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Your research sucks. Because Lee Harvey Oswald was on the sixth floor of the Book Depository firing his rifle at President Kennedy when JFK was being killed in Dealey Plaza.

Do you think it was just a mere coincidence that OSWALD'S very own FRESH fingerprints and palmprints were located all over the boxes in the Sniper's Nest (the exact same tiny area from where the shots were fired)?

And was it just merely another coincidence that bullet shells from OSWALD'S rifle (nobody else's) were found in the very same Sniper's Nest?

And was it another co-inky that OSWALD'S very own rifle (nobody else's) was also found on that same sixth floor 52 minutes after the assassination (with OSWALD'S very own prints being found on that weapon)?*

* And, no, there was no "Mauser" rifle found on the sixth floor at all. That's a myth and always was. Deputies Weitzman and Boone have both gone on record saying they were mistaken about their initial "Mauser" identification. Conspiracy theorists, naturally, refuse to accept Weitzman's and Boone's corrections, however. That is why they (the conspiracy theorists who prop up myths like the "Mauser" story long after the myth has been destroyed) are known as "kooks".

Was all of that physical stuff (which just screams "LEE OSWALD WAS HERE!") merely the work of quick-thinking "plotters" who wanted to frame poor innocent Lee Harvey as their "patsy" for the President's murder?

To believe that all of that "LHO Did It" stuff was manufactured by evil conspirators immediately after the shooting is akin to believing in Superman. In other words--believing in Oswald's innocence regarding the JFK assassination is just plain silly.

BTW, Oswald had NO "Coke" in his hands when he encountered Officer Marrion Baker and Roy Truly in the second-floor "lunchroom" (not "kitchen").

Both Baker and Truly testified that they didn't see ANYTHING in either of Oswald's hands during the lunchroom encounter. Oswald purchased his Coke AFTER he was seen by Baker and Truly.

The evidence of Oswald's guilt (in TWO murders, including the killing of policeman J.D. Tippit) is ten miles deep, and only a total idiot would have the desire to summarily dismiss all of that evidence in favor of conspiratorial silliness (as Oliver Stone, Jim Garrison, Robert Groden, and many others have done since the November 1963 assassination of John F. Kennedy).

I'd advise reading this blog (if you can handle an abundance of "common sense").

Regards,
David Von Pein
September 12, 2009




JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 699)


PAMELA BROWN SAID:

LHO had no connection to the M/C [Mannlicher-Carcano rifle] after he left NOLA [New Orleans, Louisiana]. Nobody ever saw him with it.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Is this the best you can do, Pam?

Seeing as how most of Oswald's possessions (including the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle) were packed up and stored away in Ruth Paine's garage in Irving during the entire time after LHO returned to Dallas from New Orleans (from late September 1963 right through the day of the assassination, which was only two months later), I wouldn't really expect anyone to have seen Oswald with his rifle after he left New Orleans in '63.

And this is a "so what?" type of thing anyway. Just because nobody physically SAW Oswald with his Carcano after he departed New Orleans, is that fact supposed to somehow ERASE the many pieces of evidence that incriminate Lee Harvey Oswald in the murder of John F. Kennedy?

Come now, Pam. You must be joking.


PAMELA BROWN SAID:

At the least, he [LHO] was enabled by hundreds if not over a thousand people who gave him a free pass. Many of those people had connections to intelligence. But don't let that bother you.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Don't worry, I won't.

Pam's overactive imagination has been turned on (again).


PAMELA BROWN SAID:

Even the WCR couldn't find a motive. You, however, don't seem to have that problem, though you haven't shared with us just what you think a motive might have been.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Better think (and look) again: CLICK HERE.


PAMELA BROWN SAID:

It took at the least a group of people to allow Ruby into the basement in the first place.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

You're silly.

Ruby merely had impeccable timing and some really good luck. That's all. He simply walked down the ramp (or he used the side door) to get into the basement:




PAMELA BROWN SAID:

Two lone-nut assassins? How convenient, DVP. Too bad it isn't true.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

It most certainly is true. And all the evidence supports it.

But, then again, why do you really care, Pam? You've got your JFK conspiracy fantasies that you can't come even close to proving (nor can anybody else).

And those fantasies should comfort you nicely in your old age.

David Von Pein
September 11, 2009




JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 698)


A PERSON AT YouTube SAID:

It's gonna take me a few days to work through the footage you have kindly uploaded. I will pay particular attention to the coverage of the assassination as it happened, as historically it only took a couple of hours before the "whole matter" was cleared up and two days before the truth was buried, with the lapse in security and therefore the tragic death of Mr. LHO.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

The truth wasn't "buried" at all. The truth all comes out in my as-it's-happening footage. And the truth is: Oswald shot JFK and almost certainly did it alone.

In fact, a very good way to become a lone-assassin believer pretty quickly is to watch (or listen to) the as-it's-happening coverage of 11/22/63.

When watching the raw footage from November 22nd (or listening to the radio reports), you won't be able to come within a thousand miles of the kind of crazy multi-gun assassination plot that features 6 gunshots (per a kook named Oliver Stone).

And you won't be able to get within a million miles of the shooting scenario endorsed by a mega-kook named Robert J. Groden. Groden thinks there were at least EIGHT shots fired in Dealey Plaza, and possibly as many as TEN. Good luck finding a single 11/22/63 radio or television report that comes even close to Groden's "10 Shots" nonsense.

David Von Pein
September 11, 2009










JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 697)


ROBERT HARRIS SAID:

If the FBI did what I think they did, then there would have to have been damage control, eliminating any record of the bullet (or fragment if it was large) that actually did fall from Connally's thigh.

And I know that all of this evidence was in their possession, and that it is quite easy to duplicate three capital letters.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Just when we thought Bob Harris was making a little bit of sense and progress (when Bob said this less than 24 hours ago)...


"Thanks to the sharp eye of Shutterbun, who corrected my error, I now realize that the envelope Bobby M. Nolan apparently received at Parkland hospital and initialed was labelled as containing fragments from Connally's "right arm" rather than his leg.

I am still bothered that this contradicts the statements of both the nurse, Audrey Bell, and Nolan, and I am going to mail a copy of the envelope to Nolan, to verify his signature, but evidence is evidence and barring any new information, it must take precedence.

I will immediately remove all related videos from Youtube and my website and I would like to extend my sincerest thanks to Shutterbun and apologies to anyone who was misinformed by my previous postings."
-- Robert Harris; 9/10/2009


...Robert now decides it's a good idea to hint that Bobby Nolan's initials on CE842 were planted there by evil plotters.

I should have figured that Bob would pull this trick after thinking about all the "possibilities" for half-a-day or so.


ROBERT HARRIS SAID:

What I don't know is whether I can ever prove it.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Of course you can never prove it. Just like with every JFK conspiracy theory that has ever been placed on the table to date....it cannot be proven.

But that never stops a good conspiracy theorist from suggesting the most outrageous things (like the FBI forging Nolan's initials on CE842), does it Bob?

Of course, the main reason that nobody can prove that a grandiose Governmental conspiracy and cover-up took place in the JFK case is because no such grandiose Governmental conspiracy and/or cover-up existed in the first place. All of that type of nonsense resides merely in the imaginations of conspiracists who desperately WANT a conspiracy to exist in the JFK murder case.

David Von Pein
September 10, 2009







MISC. JFK POSTS OF INTEREST
(PART 23)


IN LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S ROOM:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/DfAImX9BK7c/Llyr0EBKiYcJ
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/In Oswald's Room


THE MINOX CAMERA:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/lGlxSif5zTM/-mD1UZVo-PkJ


JACK E. DOUGHERTY:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/3pIiMh4ewl8/rbRE9hZRuT8J
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/3pIiMh4ewl8/3Z158evTYQwJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/3pIiMh4ewl8/MMH0SMLbSZQJ


OSWALD'S NOVEMBER 22 CAB RIDE:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/Ag7n4P0Pq4U/52T_tF75PvoJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/Ag7n4P0Pq4U/LORx71wZNcMJ


THE SBT AND CE903 (AGAIN):
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/pxcmcp3_WhE/jpGb0PwUq1EJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/bga8EjFFXpo/nEn4bb1IzmYJ


WC, HSCA, HUMES, VB, AND RH:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/3pIiMh4ewl8/w86fMKfLViMJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/b6Dw_uYGhz0/WVP0ZBSR6AcJ


THE "CONSPIRACY" FORUMS:
http://amazon.com/David-Von-Pein/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A


A NEARLY PERFECT DESCRIPTION OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/JTxGkSYZrZ4/_E_4sNzo85IJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/JTxGkSYZrZ4/c2Rpb04R8H0J


"AN OUT AND OUT SHILL FOR BUGLIOSI":
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/Vxu57Cn8qv8/b9gPrqSDgYkJ


DVP VS. RICH DELLAROSA:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/qfeI_EGGwk4/qZ_3WNY4SqkJ


DVP VS. WALT CAKEBREAD:
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/3pIiMh4ewl8/dv-l_ljuy0oJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/3pIiMh4ewl8/rRFCG0EtwTwJ
https://alt.conspiracy.jfk/JTxGkSYZrZ4/5X7gwWl_mRoJ



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JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 696)


ROBERT HARRIS SAID:

[Darrell] Tomlinson was stating that the bullet was on a different stretcher than the one he brought down on the elevator. Nonetheless, [Arlen] Specter repeatedly badgered him to change his story, but could only manage to get his inconvenient witness to say that he wasn't sure.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Bob, you start out in a great-big hole right off the bat when you insist that Darrell Tomlinson positively found the bullet on a stretcher other than Connally's.

Tomlinson's 1964 Warren Commission testimony shows just how confused and uncertain he was about the stretchers. There can be no doubt about the fact that Tomlinson, during his WC session (which is testimony that he provided within just a few months of the assassination), just flat-out couldn't remember which stretcher was Connally's. Did his memory improve drastically 25 years later for the 1988 PBS-TV program?:

ARLEN SPECTER -- "What did you tell the Secret Service man about which stretcher you took off of the elevator?"

DARRELL TOMLINSON -- "I told him that I was not sure, and I am not--I'm not sure of it, but as I said, I would be going against the oath which I took a while ago, because I am definitely not sure."

MR. SPECTER -- "Do you remember if you told the Secret Service man which stretcher you thought you took off of the elevator?"

MR. TOMLINSON -- "Well, we talked about taking a stretcher off of the elevator, but then when it comes down on an oath, I wouldn't say for sure, I really don't remember."

[...]

MR. SPECTER -- "You say you can't really take an oath today to be sure whether it was stretcher A or stretcher B that you took off the elevator?"

MR. TOMLINSON -- "Well, today or any other day, I'm just not sure of it, whether it was A or B that I took off."

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AN INSTANT REPLAY (JUST FOR EMPHASIS):

"I am definitely not sure." -- Darrell Tomlinson; 1964

"I really don't remember." -- Darrell Tomlinson; 1964

"I'm just not sure of it." -- Darrell Tomlinson; 1964

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TO SUMMARIZE:

The people who want to believe that CE399 never touched JFK or Governor Connally are living in a dream world. Simple as that.

And those same people like to ignore multiple things that very much favor the likelihood of CE399 being the "real" stretcher bullet that went through both victims. Such as:

1.) This Mannlicher-Carcano test bullet (pictured below), which was fired through a human wrist bone at a reduced muzzle velocity of 1,100fps, ended up in near-perfect condition:



2.) CE399 was positively fired in Lee Harvey Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle (CE139), which is a fact that makes it MUCH more likely that the conspiracy theorists are wrong when they contend that CE399 is a fraud, because of the fact that 399 is a bullet that aligns with and corroborates OTHER ballistics evidence in the JFK case that ALSO is tied irrevocably to that SAME Carcano rifle -- e.g., the three bullet shells found in the TSBD Sniper's Nest and the two bullet fragments found in the limousine.

3.) Despite the constant incorrect claims made by CTers in this regard, CE399 just happens to have just about the right amount of lead missing from its total unfired weight (of approx. 160 to 161 grains) to account very nicely for the very small bullet fragments that were deposited in Governor John Connally's body.

And I can make a very good case for there probably having been less than 1.0 TOTAL grains of lead deposited in the two victims by CE399 on 11/22/63. And I make that case in this article.

Plus, via the testimony of Dr. Charles Gregory (and by taking a good look at all of the X-rays of Governor Connally's wrist, chest, and thigh), I can also make a very good case for there having been very, very few metallic fragments left inside Connally's body on the day they buried him in 1993 (possibly as few as two tiny fragments).

4.) If Darrell Tomlinson had really found a "pointy-tipped" bullet on a Parkland stretcher, then this must mean that the bullet that struck Connally did a lot of damage to his body and then emerged on a stretcher with its POINTY tip still POINTY! And if that can happen, then why can't CE399 have a similar "near pristine" look to it after doing the same damage to Connally?

And surely the CTers don't want to think that some plotters planted a POINTY bullet on a stretcher at Parkland in order to frame ONLY OSWALD....right?

But it seems that Bob Harris, incredibly, DOES advocate such a loony theory -- i.e., some conspirator planted a bullet that was obviously NOT from Oswald's Carcano rifle on the WRONG STRETCHER at Parkland Hospital!

Talk about incompetent plotters! This takes the prize (and the cake)!

5.) Governor Connally didn't SEE any bullet fall to the floor in the operating room on November 22nd. He said he heard the sound of something made of metal hitting the floor. That's all.

How could Connally know for certain that what he heard was a bullet? Answer: He couldn't. It could have been any number of "metallic" things that hit the floor at that particular moment in time when Governor Connally was in the operating room.

But in light of all the evidence that indicates that Connally was hit by just ONE single bullet on 11/22/63--with that one bullet being stretcher bullet CE399--it becomes quite clear that the metal object that Connally heard falling to the floor that day could not possibly have been the bullet that struck him in Dealey Plaza.

6.) Both the Warren Commission and the HSCA determined to their overall satisfaction that Bullet CE399 WAS, indeed, the exact bullet that struck both President Kennedy and Governor Connally.

Now, I ask this -- Since BOTH of those official Government bodies came to the same conclusion regarding this key piece of evidence (and the Warren Commission and HSCA were, after all, responsible for officially investigating this case--not Robert Harris or other anti-399 conspiracists) -- then why do so many people still want to claim that CE399 didn't get within a country mile of Kennedy or Connally on November 22, 1963?

Is it merely a distrust of all "U.S. Government" agencies perhaps? Probably so, huh? After all, the Government ALWAYS lies to its people, doesn't it? Even TOTALLY DIFFERENT Government entities who investigated JFK's murder some 14 to 15 years apart.

In my opinion, however, that type of argument is just a cop-out. Simple as that.

I'd advise Robert Harris to take another look at the TOTALITY of evidence surrounding Warren Commission Exhibit 399....and then add a little common sense to that totality, as I have tried to do in my list above (and at my SBT Blog linked below).



David Von Pein
September 9, 2009




JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 695)


ROB CAPRIO SAID:

Let's not [bother looking at the remarks made by 24 earwitnesses who heard 3 shots or fewer], as this is WC testimony and not worth the space it takes.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

You'd better read some of my 24 examples more carefully then, because 15 of the 24 examples are not Warren Commission testimony at all....they are mostly from Sheriff's reports filed by the individual witnesses.

Were all of those Sheriff's deputies lying in their reports to Bill Decker?


ROB CAPRIO SAID:

Why did two bullets from supposedly the same gun act so differently? One causes 7 wounds and comes [out] intact and another one just hits skull bone, brain matter and tissue but totally disengrates [sic] on contact? Why? How can the same ammo act so differently?

Good luck with that one, because there is no explanation. There were different gunmen with different types of guns and ammo, that's why.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID (AFTER HEAVING
A VERY LARGE SIGH):


Why in heaven's name haven't you LEARNED THE PARTICULARS regarding these issues? Particulars that (without question) favor the likelihood of Oswald's WCC/MC bullets acting just EXACTLY as they did on 11/22/63....i.e.,

CE399 reacting just like it did on November 22nd after being slowed sufficiently by JFK's body before entering Connally....and then slowed a whole lot more when it did what it did inside Governor Connally's thorax/chest.

The bullet pictured below is EXACTLY like CE399 (it's a WCC/MC/6.5mm/FMJ missile from one of the exact same four lots of bullets that Oswald's CE399 came from)....and this bullet has just gone through many layers of simulated human flesh and body tissue, and has just broken two ribs in a (mock) Connally torso, and has just fractured a simulated wrist bone too.

And Voila! It emerges completely intact! Doesn't this impress ANY
anti-SBT conspiracy lovers? If not...why the hell not?.....



As for the head-shot bullet from Oswald's gun, that too is a bullet which reacted just exactly like several test bullets reacted after hitting human skulls at full speed (about 2,100fps).

Dr. Alfred Olivier did tests to confirm this fact for the Warren Commission in 1964; and then Dr. John Lattimer did the same type of tests in the 1970s.

And just take a look at the results (the top photos in this chart pictured below are the two front-seat bullet fragments from Oswald's gun, which are fragments that almost certainly are from the bullet that struck JFK in the head; and those limo fragments look very, very similar to the fragments from the two test bullets that were fired through human skulls).....



Dr. Lattimer offered up these observations following his skull tests.....

"This bullet [a 6.5mm Mannlicher-Carcano missile like CE399] can penetrate four feet of solid wood or three pine telephone poles side by side and come out looking completely undeformed. On the other hand, if it is fired into the thick bone of the back of a human skull, the jacket and core of the bullet will separate, releasing a myriad of additional fragments of many different sizes." -- Dr. John K. Lattimer; Page 277 of "Kennedy And Lincoln: Medical And Ballistic Comparisons Of Their Assassinations" (c.1980)



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Therefore, as can be seen, the very same type of Mannlicher-Carcano bullet CAN, and does, accommodate BOTH the SBT/CE399 and the fragmented bullet that hit JFK in the head at full velocity.

David Von Pein
October 23, 2007




JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 694)


PAT SPEER SAID:

Although I do agree the head shot came from behind, it has little to do with the credibility of these men. One can not blindly trust them. Period.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Instead, we should put our blind faith in an amateur sleuth named Patrick J. Speer, who tells us that John Kennedy's head was struck by one bullet that entered and exited in pretty much the same place (along the side of JFK's head).

And Mr. Speer's expertise that would supercede and negate the final conclusions of the three autopsy doctors and FOUR different U.S. Government panels is....what again?

I have a feeling that a lot of CTers truly believe that the following equation is a valid one:

A JFK conspiracy theorist = An expert on all matters connected with the JFK medical evidence, entitling the conspiracy theorist to the right to completely dismiss the official findings of all four Government committees, plus Drs. Humes, Boswell, and Finck.

Somebody should spread the word to all conspiracists that the above equation is a total joke (despite many CTers' apparent firm adherence to it).


PAT SPEER SAID:

David, what malarkey! I don't want anyone to put their blind faith in me or my findings. I want them to do what I did...READ. Read pathology textbooks and journals. Read radiology textbooks and journals. Try to figure out what really happened...as opposed to picking a side and sticking with it, even when it is obviously wrong. (That comment is meant to cut both ways... I have as many CTs upset with me because I concluded the Parkland witnesses were wrong as I do single-assassin theorists upset with me because I concluded the single-bullet theory was a fraud.)

As far as wounds of both entrance and exit...might I suggest you read chapter 16b at patspeer.com? You'll find that Dr. Clark believed Kennedy's head wound was one and that Dr. Coe of the HSCA wrote a number of articles about them. Hmmm... Now why would he do that?


JOHN CORBETT SAID:

There is one thing that is a 100% certainty and that is that the head shot came from behind. Whatever else you might say about the autopsy team or the review by the FPP [Forensic Pathology Panel], that is an undeniable fact and that is what really matters.


TOM ROSSLEY SAID:

The autopsy was Phony!
The autopsy X-Rays were Phony!
The autopsy photos were Phony!


DAVID EMERLING SAID:

The reason you HAVE to say that they are phony is because you are admitting that they do, in fact, show what they are purported as showing -- that Kennedy was shot from BEHIND and that this mystical "massive rear head wound" does not exist.

And yet, many of your conspiracy cohorts do NOT claim that they are phony and insist that these x-rays and photographs indicate that Kennedy was shot from the right/front (i.e. grassy knoll).

Don't you ever pause and contemplate just how much evidence in this case you claim is "phony"?

The phoniest thing about the Kennedy assassination is the strained efforts by a bunch of sensationalists/hobbyists/paranoids who want to perpetuate the debate because they have invested so much time/effort/money in their delusion.

Some people just cannot say the words, "I was wrong."


TOM ROSSLEY SAID:

Aren't you one who DODGED these? --- http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE DISMISSED


DAVID EMERLING SAID:

That is just a silly laundry list of oddities that really do not add up to anything. That is no investigative achievement, Tom.

You are incapable of seeing how the bulk of the more compelling evidence fits into a clear pattern. Instead, like an Attention Deficit Disorder-afflicted child, you are distracted by "shiny objects" and hyper-focus on them as if THEY are the "compelling" evidence of something you have NEVER been able to articulate. You're very good at jumping up and down and screaming "Conspiracy! Conspiracy!" at the top of your lungs, but you have never been able to put it all together and tell a cogent story about what it all is telling us.

You interpret every oddity and inconsistency in this case as something sinister. You always think it shows the dark underbelly of hidden forces at work. It never occurs to you that people are human - they say stupid things, they sometimes draw incorrect conclusions, they make honest mistakes, sometimes they even try to say more (to seem important) than they are qualified to have an opinion on. Some people just want their 15 minutes of fame. Who knows? And some of the things you point out are absolutely true - but they, in no way, negate the overall conclusion.

But when you take a step back, look through the chaff instead of focusing on it, the conclusion couldn't possibly be clearer.

I maintain that you are nothing more than a JFK assassination collector. You're no researcher - you're more of a hobbyist. You even try to turn your "debates" into JFK assassination trivia contests. You enjoy showing people your bizarre "stamp collection" but you really do not know anything about how the "postal service" operates. But you've got plenty of "stamps!" - there's no denying that.


JOHN CORBETT SAID:

To sum up, people like Rossley believe ALL the evidence is phoney because ALL the evidence indicates Oswald did it. If you want to argue Oswald was innocent, you can't explain the evidence, you have to explain it away.


ANTHONY MARSH SAID:

I have seen ALL of the material and much better material than you have. We have the BEST forensic pathologists on our side. You have JAMA hacks on your side. You have kooks who believe that the autopsy doctors got it right.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

So, per Marsh, only "hack" doctors were part of ALL FOUR of the Govt. panels/committees who said that JFK was shot twice and only twice and only from behind.

SEVENTEEN "hacks", eh Tony? And not a one of them got a damn thing right, eh?

Oh...my poor bladder (again)!


J. BARGE SAID:

Here's a fun game - list all the Warren Report testimony of the Parkland doctors, Secret Service agents et. al. who place the exit wound where the HSCA finds it.

Hey - NONE.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Doesn't really matter.

Why?

Because there's much BETTER evidence to rely on when trying to figure out exactly where the large exit wound was located on John F. Kennedy's head. And that "much better evidence" is (and always has been) this evidence (especially the X-ray):



"The evidence indicates that the autopsy photographs and X-rays were taken of President Kennedy at the time of his autopsy and that they had not been altered in any manner." -- 7 HSCA 41

Was the HSCA lying its collective ass off when it said the above words in Volume #7?

David Von Pein
September 8, 2009
September 14, 2009







JFK ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS
(PART 693)


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Here's a bit of a bombshell, coming from a September 7, 2009, newspaper story from "The Dallas Morning News":

Per the DMN article, a man who lived near Ruth Paine's home in Irving, Texas, actually says he saw Lee Harvey Oswald "fiddling with something" while Oswald was in the Paine garage on the night of November 21, 1963.

This is certainly the first time I've ever heard of a witness like this. The man's name is Autry Lewis and he had moved into a house near Ruth Paine's home on Fifth Street a few months before JFK's assassination.

I, however, think a very large grain of salt should be placed beside Mr. Lewis' story about seeing Lee Oswald in the Paine garage on the night before the assassination. And the DMN article goes on to suggest that Lewis actually saw Oswald take a brown paper package out of the Paine garage on Friday morning, 11/22/63 as well. Another large grain of salt is needed there too. But it certainly is interesting nonetheless.

Quoting from the DMN article (which appears on Dale Myers' blog, linked here):

"Autry Lewis stood in front of his Irving home on a November morning waiting for a ride. The man who sometimes stayed at Ruth Paine's house across the street was waiting for his ride, too. Lewis didn't see what the man grabbed from Paine's garage before he hopped into a friend's car that Friday morning. But Lewis learned from television broadcasts hours later that the man's name was Lee Harvey Oswald.

[...]

Lewis said he sat at his dining room table that night [11/21/63] and looked out his home's front windows. He said he could see Oswald fiddling with something in the Paine house garage. But he couldn't see what exactly.

"Had I had a pair of binoculars ..." Lewis said. And when Oswald grabbed something wrapped in shipping paper from the garage the next morning, Lewis didn't think much of it. Until later that day."



TOM ROSSLEY SAID:

WOW WOW WOW

Some "Voyeur" comes forward 45 years later to tell us that Oswald jumped into Frazier's car in front of the Paine garage ! ! !

That one Equals the SBT ! ! ! !


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

The kook named Rossley can't even get this right.

Per Rossley, apparently the biggest "bombshell" element to Autry Lewis' almost-certainly-fabricated story is the part which has Oswald getting into Buell Frazier's car on the morning of 11/22.

I guess the other part about Lewis saying he saw Oswald in the Paine garage "fiddling with something" on 11/21/63 isn't big news at all, per Kook Tom R.




TOM ROSSLEY SAID:

KOOK-SUCKERS like David "Swallow Everything" ! ! !


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Yeah, Tom, that must be why I said in my last post that Autry Lewis' story is "almost certainly fabricated".

Try reading before posting sometime, Tom. Couldn't hurt.


TOM ROSSLEY SAID:

You originally saw fit to post his Bullshit ! ! !


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

So?


GIL JESUS SAID:

So how can you expect people to take you seriously when you're posting BS and admitting that you KNEW it was BS when you posted it.

There's a difference between making a mistake and knowingly making a misrepresentation.

You mean to tell us that the authorities NEGLECTED to question any of the NEIGHBORS of the Paine's about Oswald's activities on 11/22/63, and as a result, this guy comes forward 46 YEARS LATER?

Aren't you people the ones who "pooh-pooh" witnesses who "appear" years later?

What a crock.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Of course I knew it was almost certainly a bullshit lie from a guy who crawled out of the woodwork 46 years later. But it's a JFK-related story that I found interesting nonetheless (despite the lies that are told by Autry Lewis in it).

But you're one to talk about posting "BS", Gil. You perform that function on a daily basis, while ignoring the fact that all of the physical evidence in two 11/22/63 murders points to a guy you think was a patsy. Now THAT'S "BS", Mr. Pot-Kettle.


GIL JESUS SAID:

It's amazing how these nut-based morons keep coming up with these "surprise" witnesses that were there all the time and never interviewed by the authorities.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Yeah, kinda like Gordon Arnold and Beverly Oliver, huh?


JOHN CORBETT SAID:

My understanding is that Oswald walked to Frazier's house a half a block away rather than being picked up by Frazier at the Paine residence.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

He did. For the first time ever, LHO walked all the way down to Wes Frazier's house (a half-block). Usually, Frazier met Oswald halfway, while Oz was on the sidewalk between the two houses.

It sounds to me like that DMN article was a combination of things -- e.g., it has a guy (Mr. Lewis) telling a good-sized lie or two (no question about that), coupled with the article's author wording the story in such a way to make it seem like Lewis saw some things he obviously couldn't possibly have seen (such as the thing you just mentioned--Oswald waiting for his ride in front of the Paine house).

That's a very strange Dallas Morning News article (the more I think about it).


ANTHONY MARSH SAID:

Just the type of convenient and unreliable story that conspiracy believers dredge up many years later to support their wacky theories. Seems you'll believe anything if it supports YOUR theory.


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Yeah, right, Tony. That must be why I said the following (nine hours before you posted the message I'm responding to now):

"Per [Thomas] Rossley, apparently the biggest "bombshell" element to Autry Lewis' almost-certainly-fabricated story is the part which has Oswald getting into Buell Frazier's car on the morning of 11/22." -- DVP

David Von Pein
September 7, 2009